accomplished admissionary

Michael Pugliese exit LBO again

2006-05-19T09:33:00.000-07:00

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/..-20051114/025240.html the thread which was to be Michael Pugliese's big blow out; after posting long stretches of Ian Williams work and a mention of a certain Hoare (who was member of the Henry Jackson society apparantly, which makes Carl Remick and Dennis Perrin blow up and get quite mad. Michael signs off and his even when he comes back during the first half of 2006 makes himself scarce and leaves in a huff again.

Michael Pugliese wrote:

> Grab that copy of Gramsci's Prison Notebooks off your shelves.
>Marko's Dad, Quentin, from the New Left Review editorial board of the
>70's, wrote the 100 pg. or so introduction.

So? The son has demonstrated himeslf right here to be pretty awful,
and anyone who's a fellow of an institute named for Scoop Jackson is
almost by definition toxic.

He signed off, by the way.

Doug

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/..-20051114/025276.html

next post:
> So? The son has demonstrated himeslf right here to be pretty awful, and anyone who's a fellow of an institute named for Scoop Jackson is almost by definition toxic.

> He signed off, by the way.
>
> Doug

Did he? Fucking coward. I actually read a couple of his essays last night,
and was gonna take apart a few bits here for a few laughs. Zen exercise and
all that.

Hey MPug -- since you think Hoare is so brilliant, coax him back. I'll
engage him straight up.

Dennis

>From: Dwayne Monroe
>
>... I have to admit that before reading the "Chomsky v
>Marko" thread I'd not heard of Dr. Hoare ... who's a member
>of the Henry Jackson Society.

I'll go you one better: I never heard of Hoare *or* the Henry Jackson
Society. I am shocked to learn such a thing as the HJS even exists.
Unlamented proto-neocon Scoop Jackson has been dead for 22 years, so I
thought he was in no position to work further evil. But like a horror
flick, it seems the Senator from Boeing's warmongering spirit has risen
from the grave to walk the earth as this hideous HJS. There appears to be no
end to these lavishly endowed rightwing think tanks, petri dishes swarming with
bacteria like Hoare.

>The Society's web bio describes him:
>
>Marko Attila Hoare ... received ... his PhD from Yale University in 2000.

There also seems to be no end to things that Yale should atone for.

Carl

My favorite australian bird

2005-12-29T13:36:00.000-08:00

AUSTRALIAN MAGPIE (Gymnorhina tibicen)

birdsinbackyards.net/feature/top-40-bird-songs.cfm fast site with Fred Van Gessel signing for the audio of: Sorrower, screecher, triller, hooter carroler, crier, cackler, clocker, cooer, peeper, whistlers and waverer

nzbirds.com/birds/magpie.html has a 5Mb wav file and this bit of horrorstory (specially in the light of the fact they are by no means fast breeders): "In the 1971 rooks were declared an agricultural pest in the Hawke’s Bay and something like 35,000 thousand were shot, probably about half the population. Once again the cry has gone out to kill them when they do no real harm to anyone and certainly no harm to our native birds." ------- also this: a rapsodic poem by Frank S. Williamson

another very complete page (if you like esoteric fabulizing and discounting the audio track which doesn't do the bird's musical talent near enough justice):
http://druidry.org/obod/lore/animal/magpie.html

http://australian-animals.net/magpie.htm

unireps.com.au/isbn/0643090681.htm 208 page book on magpies (the author, Gisela Kaplan took 6 years to write it)

tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/.. the Hutchinson encyc. calls them piping crows

math.sunysb.edu/~tony/birds/links.html
http://abc.net.au/archives/sound/11.ram stream only

warbler.phytoconsult.nl/sounds.htm
http://members.tripod.com/Thryomanes/BirdSounds2.html

what sent me huuuuntin (alison Kraus voice) for these links was a memory of magpie scieng.flinders.edu.au/biology/...jpg
hear him here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~mar.dav/dls003.html
and here: junglewalk.com/popup.asp?type=a&AnimalAudioID=3306

calm.wa.gov.au/plants_animals/bird_magpie.html
Sweet-voiced magpies are the black and white minstrels of Australia. They have adapted successfully to urban and agricultural areas. Beautiful carolling, a relish for eating many harmful insect pests and the bird's bold nature have made the magpie popular with the suburban gardener and other bird lovers. Australian magpies are often found in relatively open gardens, and sometimes become quite tame in suburban areas.

http://smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/..
A magpie's life - September 28, 2004
High flier ... magpies may have capabilities comparable to a dog's.

waratahsoftware.com.au/wp_birds_birds.html large photographs of oz birds

ConvictCreations.Com quick and clean intro to australia

that concludes my selection from 7 gooooooogle pages for "australian magpie"

this post will do wonders for my green reputation

2005-12-21T12:08:00.000-08:00

"rumen fluid" millivolts "ohio state" 26 results
"john slack" carbonatite 51 results

studying worldclass intrigue (Myers, Dugin et al)

2005-12-21T04:23:00.000-08:00

http://nord.twu.net/acl/news.html a lifesign from Peter Myers
posted by Niki on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 0 comments

This just came in an email forward from Peter Myers. Right on time for my new studies into the Zionist-Christian connection.

ADL's "Interfaith" Enmeshmentby Karin Friedemann with Joachim Martillo 12/12/05 ===
posted by Niki on Friday, December 09, 2005 0 comments

This forward from Peter Myers' elist shares a very important perspective on the Fed. What may become our most difficult undertaking thus far is upon us. Ack. This topic makes Hegel look like a piece of cake. The left has perfected their arguments and I have never questioned them on their economic stance. For the most part I am not an active participant on Myers' list, whose contributors put forth a very strong case at every opportunity. From what I can understand many on the right are champions of free trade, monopolies and open borders, the Libertarian founder was clear on his anti nationalism. It is amazing that both camps support internationalism and nobody supports national sovreignty that insists on strong tariffs or mutual trade agreements with equals balanced with strong local support for American business. When you stop importing cheap goods you create a market for American made. According to List it's that simple. He also said you can see the results alomst immediately. Maybe it's worth a try. Maybe not, but somehow we've got to *stop* the outsourcing of American industry and technology and quit giving away everything but the kitchen sink. It's solution time for what's left of a creative thinking America, and there's no time to waste. Do the people of the United States have a strategy for regaining their freedom from the usurpers who hold them in the palms of their invisible hands?

Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:19:25 -0500 From: "David Chiang"
Is central bank independence all it's cracked up to be?
As Alan Greenspan departs, he leaves behind a heavily burdened US economy that is already contributing to global financial instability
By Joseph Stiglitz

"Drawing on history, politics and theology, Stephen Sizer (Christian Zionism: Road Map to Armageddon) raises the level of strategic conversation regarding the Middle East crisis. His book will help leaders in both America and Europe generate "gamechanging" scenarios for faith to diffuse the doomsday plan created by a century of Zionism." Jay Gary, ChristianFutures.com (author of The Star of 2000)

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/freedman.html
A Jewish Defector Warns America: Benjamin Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century.
Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-ist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.
Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S. ---
The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war. So the German bankers -- the German-Jews -- Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!" But they poured money into Germany, they fought with Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.
Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, they went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like the traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good.

piet December 21st, 2005 14:27 63 comment to a dutch blog item on Stalin breeding program (also in the freedman file):
(9) It is ironic that Hitler, the leading antisemite in the West, attacked Stalin, the leading antisemite in the East; and that Zionism has proved stronger than Marxism - Israel having outlasted the USSR. The "British" faction has three times successfully used Zionism to split the Jewish allegiance to the USSR: once with the Balfour Declaration, once with the creation of Israel, once with the 1967-1973 wars. Zionism has been the price for the defeat of Communism. ===

sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/bbc_transcript_zionists.htm sweetliberty.org/audio/meta/bbc_zionists.ram BBC Broadcast: A Lobby to Reckon WithIn May 2002, the BBC broadcast a special on America's Christian Zionists, detailing the empowerment given to the already formidable Israeli lobby by American Christians. (transcript available at link)

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/freud.html13. Note: Norman Cohn, the expert on Millenial Cults, in his book The Pursuit of the Millenium diagnosed many Christian millenial movements, but failed to diagnose Zionism - his own movement - as millenial. In the same way, Freud diagnosed Christianity, but not Judaism, as a "mental illness".

lbo-talk...Week-of-Mon-20051219/027553.html on Dugin; Doss says he is 'huge' (on tv a lot)

Posted some Dugin recently at another blog (?)

A weekend's worth of reads and writes (more Bitchin at/and AI)

2005-12-12T04:55:00.000-08:00

This is what I posted and copied for repostage this past weekend in chronological order

the parts in these colours have ties with hyperstition -- and the ones in these relate to our miraculous bitch - be aware that these are teazers, tastes and hi-lites, for proper context I refer you to the sources: http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org and lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20051205/thread.html

'people become less shamefaced about burning up the past and to compensate pretend they are heaving heaps of future into the present'

I have to agree with that except that they aren't pretending about the heaving of heaps of the future, they are successfully heaving. There doesn't seem to be much real interest in stopping this, as those interested include kooky fringe groups and preservationists of physical things.

'With that understanding I agree, admit and take into account we are all connected'

That is like the blanket in 'I Heart Huckabees,' the greatest film made in the 21st century thus far (Lily Tomlin alone is a work of art)
Patrick J. Mullins | 12.10.05 - 3:41 pm | #

the stuff sent to pulp culture didn't post but is here now: http://admissionary.blogspot.com ...ai- hypered.html
piet | Homepage | 12.10.05 - 7:04 pm | #

When you get the blanket thing you can relax because everything you could ever want or be you already have and are. Does that sound pretty good?
—I ? Huckabees
northanger | 12.11.05 - 8:08 am | #

Honestly, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I thought we were talking about petroleum.
northanger | 12.11.05 - 8:10 am | #

uh, piety. slighly confused by nuptionotional protocol when you say BLAST SMASH & all that. is your bonobo approach to barrier breach simply: knock on the damn door & see who answers, silly?

monkey see, monkey screw :: If you don't remember Ciccolina, it's because you never saw her. A giantess with ass-length platinum hair, usually adorned with a crown of flowers, Ciccolina was a member of the Italian Parliament who came to politics from a career as a porn actress. She had deeply held political beliefs, such as "War I no like; nude, I like." She offered to have sex with Saddam Hussein if he would get out of Iraq. It didn't work, but think about solving international conflict with bombshells instead of bombs. It's just so ... Austin Powers.

Scientist makes case that morality predates man :: "One is a gruff-looking, ambitious character with anger-management issues. The other is an egalitarian proponent of a free-spirited lifestyle." ... The question is: Which ape are we? Peaceable, sexy, female-dominated bonobos or warlike, male-dominated chimps?
northanger | 12.11.05 - 9:03 am | #

I am just trying to convey my impression that kurzweil and his ilk are simply hi-jacking the blessings of rock dust administry, taking descriptions of such actions hostage and turn them into slaves to labour for/at his fabulation, this displacement, transport and remove is exactly the reverse of the fabled alien abductions alive and well within the Winter/Icke fringe. It simply exports surpluses in ways and spirits similar to the ones bearing risky venture capital to unknown places in the last great age of exploration, discovery and ruination of relative quarantine dependent indiginous qualities; is that diversity so irretrievable lost people set out to replace it with a multitude of hardware and digital screws?
piet | Homepage | 12.11.05 - 10:22 am | #

I've left a great load of descriptions and mind's eye impression of my hearfelt yearning: knock on rock entertainingly and safely yet challenging enough, then 'met de resultaten dermate geschikt om te springen', handle the product to make spring springyer, and so that unemployment, the dumb aspects of free trade doctrine and degenerate diseases all disappear within a generation, most found here: http://poetpiet.tripod.com
piet | Homepage | 12.11.05 - 10:47 am | # ******************

http://creativegeneralist.blogspot.com/.. I [Heart] Huckabees

Existential detective Bernard Jaffe (Dustin Hoffman) explaining to activist/poet Albert Markovski (Jason Schwartzman) the interconnectedness of things in David O. Russell's philosophical 2004 film I [Heart] Huckabees:

BJ: Say this blanket represents all the matter and energy in the universe, okay? You, me, everything. Nothing has been left out. Alright? All the particles, everything.
AM: What's that side of the blanket?
BJ: More blanket. That's the point.
AM: The blanket's everything.
BJ: Exactly, this is everything. OK, let's just say this is me, and I'm what, 60 odd years old and I'm wearing a grey suit. Blah, blah, blah. And let's say that over here this is you and, I don't know, you're 21, you've got dark hair, Etc. And over here this is Vivian, my wife and colleague. And over here, this is the Eiffel Tower, right? It's Paris! And this is a war. And this is a museum. And this is a disease. And this is an orgasm. And this is a hamburger.
AM: Everything is the same even if it's different.
BJ: Exactly! But our everyday mind forgets this. We think everything is separate, limited. I'm over here. You're over there. Which is true, but it's not the whole truth because we're all connected. Because we are connected.
AM: Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
BJ: OK?
AM: Yeah.
BJ: We need to learn how to see the blanket truth all of the time right in the everyday stuff. And that's what this is for.
AM: Why?
BJ: Why what?
AM: Why do I need to see the blanket thing all of the time in the everyday stuff?
BJ: Well, you wouldn't want to miss out on the big picture, would you?
AM: Nah uh.
BJ: And that's partly why you're here. And I'm talking about it right now. I mean, it will take awhile for you to get it but it will help you.
AM: How?
BJ: When you get the blanket thing you can relax because everything you could ever want or be you already have and are. Does that sound pretty good?
AM: That sounds very good!
3/19/2005 02:54:00 PM Comment (0)

Via last mentioned blog I make a little detour: http://dendrites.typepad.com/..l on female intellect (arianne Huffington)
--- the blog has moved since then: http://dendrites-tdr.blogspot.com/

Answering Northanger:
I am just trying to convey my impression that kurzweil and his ilk are simply hi-jacking the blessings of rock dust administry, taking descriptions of such actions hostage and turn them into slaves to labour for/at his fabulation, this displacement, transport and remove is exactly the reverse of the fabled alien abductions alive and well within the Winter/Icke fringe. It simply exports surpluses in ways and spirits similar to the ones bearing risky venture capital to unknown places in the last great age of exploration, discovery and ruination of relative quarantine dependent indiginous qualities; is that diversity so irretrievable lost people set out to replace it with a multitude of hardware and digital screws?

*********
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/12/829521.shtml
Venezuela delivers, Indian tribes continue talks for low cost gas and oil
Brenda Norrell, 09.12.2005 03:07
Venezuela President Hugo Chavez honors his promise to provide low cost heating oil in the U.S.; American Indians are in talks with Venezuela to bring low cost oil and gas to their communities.

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/12/829504.shtml
Inaugural Peace Wheel awarded to Brett White, the hubmotor man downunder
Fish 09 Dec 2005 00:23 GMT ---- PO Box 108, Samford, 4520, Queensland.

Never mind the Holy Grail. First 250 million-year-old peace award goes to cyberspace and airpond knight errant.

The 2005 Peace Wheel has gone to Brett White of Newcastle in Oz, Nepal and other places. He won it for the vast amount of free advice and help he has offered all and sundry across the planet, on light-vehicle electric hubmotors. Our accredited herald, Sir Google, will explain the boring bits. He knows Brett well, having had him at the very top of his "hubmotor" lists, against strong paying and non-paying competition from commercial companies. If you have been one of the countless billions who have received helpful email replies, you may have noticed the time given as 3.48 am or something similar. A very fine effort.

The Peace Wheel is a bit smaller than the usual international award, being roughly 1 cm in diameter. It is also less hideous than the average award by two orders of magnitude. The dimensions are stated as "roughly," because we have not found two quite the same. The wheel is a section of a crinoid stem, almost exactly 250 million years old. Happy birthday, little crinoid stem. It is one of a very small collection that has been held in trust for many years by the committee. They were the gift of a part-Aboriginal, part -Afghan, part-Irish cattle duffer (a cattle rustler, to those of you who stand upside down or sideways), George Latham. George left the army in WW2 to go back to his work, and built a charcoal burner for his old ute so that he could. He left because someone shouted at him, that he had to close one eye when firing his rifle. To a dogger, that was absurd. How can you see which way the dingo is turning if you close your other eye? The dingoes have forgiven George and many Japanese and German families perhaps got their sons back intact from that festival of pleasantries, because George declined to attend.

The Peace Wheel has lain peacefully for rather a long time. But, as the Permian coal swamps and the tar sands next to whom it lived are at present being evicted from their beds and burned, it has decided to speak out in its own way. It is concerned for its fellow fossils, so many of whom are now facing extinction and expulsion via tailpipes.

The awards committee consists of two old men and a three-legged dingo-dog called Fish who, since he represents the rest of the biosphere, chairs the committee, has two votes and also has the one in the case of a deadlock. All award winners will have the right to one vote in future selections. The committee is dedicated to being as biased as possible in its judgements. It will do its best to skew the awards towards ordinary folk who do whatever it is for free and to the everlasting detriment of the growth economy and of all who sail in her on the upper decks. The Peace Wheel award committee is also openly volunteerist. All members are known to have been card-carrying members of voluntary organisations, or at least, to have once owned bus tickets. No member of the committee has ever owned a dynamite factory. One did come close to being forwarded to a higher sphere by Mr Nobel's gift to the planet, but on careful deliberation, that was not considered sufficient grounds for exclusion.

The winners for the 2006 Peace Wheel have been selected and will shortly be informed of their nonfortune, but nominations are open now for 2007 and will remain open till the end of 2006. All sentient life forms are eligible. Nominations for non-sentient or ex-sentient beings, local, astral or inter-galactic, will be considered on their merits, provided they can prove prior ownership of a bus ticket. If you yourself are sentient, you may nominate yourself and welcome. If you know someone or something or some group that you think ought to get the next Peace Wheel, feel free to nominate her, him, herhim, it or them. Send your application fee in whatever currency you like but preferably in solar nanomoney, to anywhere other than here. We do not want your money even if it has been organically sterilized by chacma baboons.

There is one vacancy on the awards committee. A bunya tree has applied, but if you are a starfish, a sky god, a lady seal or meerkat, or failing that any sort of lady, the bunya tree has graciously offered to withdraw its application, to accommodate you..

Happy Birthday to crinoids everywhere. Keep the faith. Your time will come again. Woof to all the rest of you also and well done, Hubmotorman

Fish.

for The Peace Wheel Award Committee, and the rest of the biosphere.

The 2005 Peace Wheel has gone to Brett White of Newcastle in Oz, Nepal and other places. He won it for the vast amount of free advice and help he has offered all and sundry across the planet, on light-vehicle electric hubmotors. Our accredited herald, Sir Google, will explain the boring bits. He knows Brett well, having had him at the very top of his "hubmotor" lists, against strong paying and non-paying competition from commercial companies. If you have been one of the countless billions who have received helpful email replies, you may have noticed the time given as 3.48 am or something similar. A very fine effort.

orlandoweekly.com/columns/story.asp?id=5527 review of a recent Frans de Waal book
*****

Sandwich man all ago glow go!!!!!!

- Bitch has offfended him and he's off:

Week-of-Mon-20051205/027026.html
one of the one too many tentacles wrote,

>please spare us declarations of the pure heart. You're human. you fucked
>up. we teach. you learn. grow the fuck up. i've been called on the carpet
>for racism, sexism classism, etc. i got over it and learned something. you
>can to.

Don't even bother 'replying' if you have to hide behind another one of
your thousand webmail addresses. Whether I fucked up or not is none of
your fucking business, Bitch. If I fucked up, it had/has nothing to do
with your gratuitous ersatz-feminist critique. I damned well AM racist,
sexist, classist, ageist, speciesist and every other kind of "ist" you
can think of. So are you and so is everyone in this racist, sexist,
classist, etc.ist culture. I also know a thing or two about feminism --
even taught it at Uni -- and it's not about finger-pointing and
name-calling. It's a social analysis and you're off by about 180
degrees. I learn something every day, but not from people reciting
cliches I've heard a thousand times in a tone of voice that suggests
they are the arbiter of political correctness and that I am to be made a
bad example of.

Such a bloody hypocrite, it's not funny. "Spare us declarations of the
pure heart," the pure heart declares. "Grow the fuck up," orders the
whiner. Don't make me laugh. You're up on your stump, Bitch, for one
reason and one reason only -- to elevate yourself. Some analysis. Go get
drunk and feel sorry for yourself at least it will add to the economy.

The Sandwichman

Carrol wrote:
> Tom Walker wrote:
> >
> > In other words, to criticize Coulter, our discourse must be so elevated that it is
> > inaccessible to a popular audience. Coulter can be a political
> whore but we must not use the word "whore". Well, fuck that.
>
> Your argument as a whole is correct, but your tactical/rhetorical
> suggestions are, I think, a non sequitur. As Kelley pointed out, no
> one on this list has any respect for Coulter's politics, hence in this
> context nothing is gained by anything one might say about her.

In the case of Ann Coulter and self-described white right-wing
"pretty girls" like her, looks _is_ politics (there is nothing else
they are paid to display): rich, white, tall, thin, able-bodied, etc.
= good and beautiful vs. poor, non-white, short, fat, disabled, etc.
= bad and ugly. That is all there is to it. (It's like a failed
parody of Leni Riefenstahl's Olympia -- the first time as tragedy,
the second time as farce. . . .) Just as we question their bogus
claim to goodness, we question their bogus claim to beauty, for both
claims are nothing but claims to plutocracy and white supremacy.

What's especially galling about the white supremacist politics of
beauty is that white supremacists first try to browbeat non-whites
into accepting the white standard of beauty; and then, (after being
subjected to centuries of browbeating), if some non-whites happen to
accept it and try to emulate it by resorting to hair straightening,
plastic surgery, etc., they get ridiculed by -- the same white
people! -- for lacking in self respect and anyway still failing to
measure up to the white standard. !!!

Smash the idols, I say.

On my placards shall be inscribed the faces of Margaret Cho, Rosa
Parks, Harriet McBryde Johnson, and other beautiful women on the Left!

The Sandwichwoman

Carrol wrote,

>Your argument as a whole is correct, but your tactical/rhetorical
>suggestions are, I think, a non sequitur.

I agree that if what I wrote was meant as a rhetorical suggestion it
would indeed have been a non sequitur. My rhetorical suggestion would be
to write about things that matter rather than to stand around poking
shit with a stick and making faces. My "rhetorical suggestion" would be
to not to say dismissive things about Ann Coulter. My rhetorical
suggestion would be to not say anything at all about Ann Coulter. The
point of Ann Coulter's act is to get attention and saying anything only
feeds the beast. But if I happen to fart, I don't find it terribly
interesting either to be lectured by shit-shovelers about how I'm
smelling up the ambience. Fuck that hypocrisy. Nothing I say about Ann
Coulter has absolutely anything to do with any progressive strategy I
have in mind. For that matter, nothing I say on LBO has much to do with
any progressive strategy because the level of discourse on this list is
almost exclusively at the level of voyeurism and exhibitionism. Believe
me, ANYTHING I say on this list is purely for the sake of amusement,
primarily my own, because I am perfectly capable of calculating the
ratio of trash to substance here. And when the trash comes up with "we
teach. you learn." it's a pretty good indication that anything one could
say here is indeed a non sequitur because there is non to sequitur.

The Sandwichman

So by your own admission you're adding to the quantity of trash?

Doug

Absolutely. There's not a word in anything I posted to these threads
that I would bother to archive. Laura Mulvey's Lacanian psychoanalytic
film critique was gibberish 30 years ago. Today it's 30-year old
gibberish. Me arguing with third-hand regurgitations of 30-year old
gibberish is trash.

The Sandwichman

A follow up and flesh out of that last one (quoting Paglia) is here: 027067.html

W. Kiernan wrote:
> Tom Walker wrote:
> > ...In this context, "Ann Coulter" is NOT a woman. She
> > is not even a person...
>
> I dig what you're saying and all, but stepping just outside of your
> specialized context, Ann Coulter _is_ a person, a woman.

Well, we know Ann Coulter plays one on TV. After all, gender is
performance. The thing is that it is because of her gender
performance that Coulter is useful for the Right. We did win the
Culture War . . . to an extent. The extent of the small victory is
that nowadays the Right can't purvey sexism without having "women"
like Coulter give cover for them, racism without having "Black men"
like Clarence Thomas and "Asian women" like Michelle Malkin give
cover for them, etc. To say that Coulter is a victim of sexism is to
say that Thomas is a victim of "high-tech lynching."

> Anyway there's something vaguely insulting to women in general,
> including even the physically lovely ones who'd pass the audition,
> to dismiss Ann Coulter _solely because_ "she's a stringy-ass skank"
> or whatever, as Anti-Coulterites sometimes do. If she'd look a
> little more beautiful - like Gisele Bundchen or something - she'd
> be cool? but she doesn't, so she ain't. Like as though when rating
> a woman - innocent enough in itself, all guys do that, all girls
> rate guys - her physical appearance outranks her intelligence, wit,
> accomplishments and character all put together.

Well, if anyone puts down Ann Coulter _solely_ on account of her
looks, she should consider herself lucky -- that's probably the
kindest cut. I don't consider an insult to her to be an insult to
women in general. She may play a woman on TV, but there is nothing
in common between her and women on the left -- her sole raison d'etre
for the right-wing media is to insult women on the left in particular
and the (very broadly defined) left in general. Her fortune may rise
or fall, but that won't affect our lot at all. If ours truly rises,
though, hers will go down. (Notice the lack of symmetry here.)

And, speaking more generally, it must be admitted that, regarding
_some_ men and women, it is nearly impossible not to believe that
their physical appearance outranks their intelligence, wit,
accomplishments, and character all put together. What am I to say
about Keanu Reeves' "intelligence, wit, accomplishments, and
character"? All I can say is that he seems not unpleasant (something
that I cannot say about Coulter, Thomas, Malkin, etc.). On the other
hand, for women like Emily Dickinson (yesterday was her birthday) and
men like Diego Rivera, it doesn't matter at all that they weren't
much to look at.

> (I've also got 2,147 files in my q:\pix\fashion\kate_moss directory)

Oh dear, a fanboy. I must say, though, I was rooting for Kate Moss lately, because if her career had gone down with the coke scandal, it would have been a victory for anti-drug-warriors. As it happened, Ms. Moss triumphed: Recently, Moss has picked up a string of new contracts and held onto her old ones - including, perhaps fittingly, Yves Saint Laurent's Opium perfume. The ultimate accolade comes Thursday when French Vogue - perhaps the fashion industry's most influential publication - hits the stands
with a December issue devoted to Moss. The tag line on the cover: "Scandalous Beauty."
forbes.com/business/energy..tml Add the Vogue cover picture to your collection.

Yoshie Furuhashi
http://montages.blogspot.com
http://monthlyreview.org
http://mrzine.org

Walker: Most of what passes for discussion involves people displaying their
well-rehearsed canned opinions on commonplaces that have been
ephemerally elevated by the spectacle apparatus.

====================

Although you delivered your critique with all the fellow feeling
exhibited by Achilles when he plunged the business end of his sword into
Hector's neck and, to show how he really felt, dragged the broken body
behind his chariot, I must admit you do - from where I sit - appear to
have a point.

Indeed, I'm sure that I'm one of the most diligently working 'trash
men', slinging useless text out into the void with all the skill of a
monkey behind the wheel of a monster truck (in a more just world, I'd be
sent to a re-education camp to learn gravitas and originality - and by
"re-education camp" I mean a free trip to Tokyo and by "learn" I mean
'get a sexy job at I.G. Studios').

But then again... It occurs to me that the situation you're describing is not unique to
LBO but is, in fact, pretty much the way most humans talk to each other
most of the time.

If that's the case then perhaps your criticisms are based upon a desire
that this forum would be 'elevated' and therefore, what: more
theoretically original? Less dependent upon news sources for topics of
concern? More focused on practical information about the day-to-day
workings of the world?

If you could have your way, what would you be reading here instead of
the, as you wrote, "pap"?

.d.

sound health advice: astrodreamadvisor.com/Qi-Cycle.html

I went looking for news on a colourfully printed affirmation books centered cult, outflow of the violet flame fairy tale faction from the 30s, neither good examples of present day matriarchy in my opinion, more like schisms in catholicism. In a trial a former employee sued for 253 milion and got awarded half of one which his former little tyrant was ordered to cough up, though she tried to fight it all the way up to supreme court which denied the writ of certiorari. wikipedia says it triggered her apocalypticism. "The Church itself built what is arguably the largest privately owned bomb shelter in the US. Designed for 756 people, with food storage for seven years, the cavernous underground city had generators, communications equipment, and room to store semi-trucks and armored personnel carriers. This was built at an estimated cost of $20 million. (The funds came largely from the sale of the Church's former campus in Calabasas, California [near Los Angeles].)"

buffalofieldcampaign.org/.. news on tsl.org the summit lighthouse AKA church universal and triumphant;

"Church leader Elizabeth Clare Prophet had said nuclear war was likely, and bombs could land in Paradise Valley. Church members hoped the bombs would never launch, but they wanted to be prepared if the missiles did fly.

On the night of March 15, 1990, hundreds if not thousands of CUT members entered the bomb shelters they had hurriedly constructed. They had gathered here from as far as Europe and South America. Some had quit jobs and run up big debt, anticipating apocalypse.

The times were weird and tense. The media swarmed all over Paradise Valley.
Then, nothing happened. Church officials maintained the next day the whole thing had been a drill. But some members didn't know that: before they left their shelters, they turned on the Geiger counters."

early this year they were getting ready to put in 18.000 sq f of new office space on the 6.000 acres remaining after selling of as many to the fed.

"The year 1999 appears to be a tipping point, a time when the church and its neighbors learned to get along, 18 years after the church bought its first property in Park County. .. . .. But 1999 was also the year Prophet announced she had Alzheimer's disease and would retire, removing the charismatic but controversial leader from the church's forefront."

During my short visit in the 80s I was asked to cover legs and arms.

via pirateballerina.com/index.php the following:
ncseweb.org/resources/..vine_deloria_jr_creationism
National Center for Science Education
Defending the Teaching of Evolution in the Public Schools

Vine Deloria Jr, Creationism, and Ethnic Pseudoscience
by H David Brumble

Vine Deloria, a Standing Rock Sioux, has been an important advocate for American Indians for more than 25 years. He has defended Indian claims in the courts; he has acted as an Indian spokesman in Washington. Deloria is also a professor of history, law, and religious studies at the University of Colorado.

His books have brought Indian concerns to a broad audience. He burst upon the scene in 1969 with Custer Died for Your Sins, and he has continued to write about injustices done the Indians by the government, the schools, the church, anthropologists, and the courts. Most recently he has taken on the scientists in Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact. Imagine how Deloria's own people must have felt when this distinguished man returned to the Standing Rock Reservation to talk — no, to consult — with them about science. Deloria describes just such a scene in this book. He returns to the reservation and delivers a speech. In this speech he discusses a problem in paleontology that he is currently working on. Deloria believes that a certain sawtooth-backed "monster" in one of the Sioux tales is really a stegosaurus:

After my speech a couple of the traditional people approached me and said that the next time I came, if I had time, they would take me to see the spot where the people last saw this creature, implying that it was still possible to see the animal during the last century before the reservations were established. I gave their knowledge credence (p 243).

http://blog.pulpculture.org/2005/12/11/ta-da/
I've got a quandary for ya: which side of the divide would you choose, or can you play brigde?

The gap yawns and a good number of lefties hope (and organize for) the day 'de wallen' (A'dam sex.come district) get whiped off the map dawns.

Tonight an ex whore, Mariska Majoor, defended the days of her dual slot window waredom sitting next to another, Karina Schaapman, who stands by the persuasion described in the previous sentence and who's incontrovertible suit was the reports most prosts behind these windows are victims lives traded over their heads, usually after falling for lies and forced to stay there through debt, etcetera.

It was all very amicable; see both ladies here (real and wm both hi and low): http://omroep.vara.nl/tvradiointernet..1

reappropriate.com/

http://happyfeminist.typepad.com/..

http://incapability.blogspot.com/
2005/12/why-i-am-feminist.html custom template here (small print amenable to enlargement)

http://philobiblion.blogspot.com/2005/11/
menstruation-why-is-it-so-hard-to-say.html

http://archive.blogsome.com/ ozzie intellect who was on LBO in the past
(nice mellow colours and I have gotten to appreciate the line height setting such as here as well after first hating the early adopters for it - seems ages ago - internet speeds kill time like nothing before which says a lot about it's potential to bring it alive).

unbsj.ca/arts/english/jones/mt/ (white blog called ' scribbling woman')

Piet, I'm afraid you're writing is often thoroughly thrilling.
Patrick J. Mullins | 12.11.05 - 10:15 pm | #

that's why I routinely save them, I can stomach yours fine too thanks.

.. and herewith/therefore suggest we should just 'plemp' the other tangent 'vol' with currentsee rambles (only 5 right now) since this one is gonna cost our sweet abstractdynamicizers exponentially more money as we append more (the law of diminishing returns rules in digitalia after all).

this week the largest dutch blog had a 1000 comment item!!!! (moronic one liners ((by fast car and laughs at a new sucker everyday's expense)) but more and more staggering to 'serve' nevertheless)

http://blog.pulpculture.org/2005/12/11/ta-da/
Beeotch: I’m getting an error?

I assume you refer to sex dot com? --- they have a tempree page up now, signed 'adult sites against child pornography' at the bottom, godda draw the line someplace right? --- but I just meant to indicate the biggest commercial sex district 'de wallen', not any bitchomp site, the REAL place where the 'grachten' canals are REAL narrow and the palette to dip your pinsel in REAL wide.

Ah wait, it's that damn p command again, between code clamps, behind the links - I tried telling you last week but that may have been when my comments stopped going through.

I forgot to mention (praise the loawd I can post again, thanks for fixin that error) that the pro-pornies have hit on a really wonderful gag.

The customer gets a free bright red t-shirt and of course the ad shows a range of dutchmen you'd not likely to find there in REAL life and that's funny unexpected impossible hence slated to appear in tadaaaaa commercials!!!!!!! .. . . . . humor is under graver pressure, threat even, the closer it gets to hot-ego-air-bloat.

Yesterday, Youp van't Hek, the fella who's gonna do the extremely prestigious 'conferance' at new year's eve this year was on tv too (in the same program even maybe, can't remember), and outraged me quite a bit, answering a question about the fear climate (pc type stuff like affermative action has turned into an 'or else' imperative, the dutch have this thing about catering to the invalid, about catering and denaturing) that the tone is decisive and his jokes wouldn't, haven't and won't come across like threats, hence he would not be in the kinds of danger similar to the ones Theo van Gogh found himself in.

This is BETRAYAL and lies.

NOONE sounded more amicable than Theo, a bit extremely rotund guy never seen to make sudden moves, just running his mouth in a gurgly way. He couldn't sound unpleasant (even while describing the horrible effects of islamic immigration* ((the massive part of which by the way, seems to have been the result of an EU deal during the oil crisis)) which of course was taken by some to be stigmatizing but somebody like our late Theo, who is pretty fair on an individual basis can afford to stand back and try a little generalization every now and then; it wasn't Theo who bestowed radicalized Islamists with cruel powers, he called them out for it at the same time claiming they'd not hurt a village idiot) was never unpleasant; I was never THAT enamoured of Theo's work and never ran into him while living in A'dam, but he did do a great tv-series showing a cross-racial love affair and last week his slaughterer stood in court on unrelated charges with his gang, refused to answer most questions but did say Bush was the biggest problem in the world or some such criticism.

*the opposite happens to me hearing a dutch-maroccan say how he loves Holland.

To blame Islam for individual and unjust violence (you won't give me a ((lowskill)) job? I'll start robbing your old ladies, groping your young ones and carry on from there) leaves our sophisticated and industrial, removed and remoted versions out of the equation. I understand that can be maddening enough (especially for those on life support as long as they manage to fit into the dutch concrete jungles, designed to raise and rest up, never to live in) to resort to primitive violence if and when verbal forms are not available (this is what 'integration' ((you use naturalization?)) efforts have concentrated on, language rather than land).

Dualities are dynamic and a count or any other countamount never ever stops or stop at two. Who? You! and that's what I mean with and when involving and hiliting alledgedly off-topic, issues (not to mention children) confusing antagonisms, (switches and flips from individual to group psychology and back again in dizzying succesion, specially during verbal combat) more explicitly than your average spelling spartners, it's merely going deeper and higher and more multilayered, showing where to mix and where not.

kheper.net/topics/transhumanism/index.html
Heh. Chigg and ecken. Just found what I take as a funny or sooner sadly fanatic and dualistic attempt at illustrating my point (has individuality wriggled free here or has a collective closed ranks to squeeze and stand up and out the different?) via a blog where I occasionally argue against the glorification of AI and tell them they are trying to steal the thunder of the otherwise tabooed and forbidden to apply consciously in- to organic transit, my favorite theme.

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/12/829698.shtml
IMC-Binghamton, Not L.A. Times, Broke Story on DoD Media Scandal
Steve Peacock 12 Dec 2005 00:57 GMT
The breaking story about the U.S. military’s planting of prepackaged stories in foreign media – a “scoop” attributed to the L.A.. Times – has overlooked one critical factor: the Independent Media Center of Greater Binghamton, and not the L.A. Times, was the first media outlet across the globe to report on this propaganda-production endeavor, the brainchild of the U.S. Special Operations Command.

monk(ey)ish wisdom and AI hyp(er)ed 'stition critiqued

2005-12-10T10:27:00.000-08:00

http://blog.pulpculture.org/
2005/12/08/carnival-of-sex-positive-feminism/ Send in your nominations for memorable screeds

# piet Says:
December 9th, 2005 at 10:38 am

I nominate this one:———- who’ who’ who’! hohoho! holy day season: e-sheep.com/Saturnalia/04.html suivez the green arrow => after 31 they seem to go colourful and brought me many a chuckle already

# piet Says:
December 9th, 2005 at 10:52 am

37 quick loading (pagan) frames in total, written in 1995 and other stories include: ‘rush limbaugh eats everything’ – I guess that means he is an omnivoracist or sumphin, must have been written at a time he was real fat .. . .in page 14 he slaughters a spotted owl. .. .no chuckles this time.. ..

sex + feminism = Bonobo + Frans de Waal . .. .totally .. .hands down.

*he is (reviewed) in the smaller of the two (Dutch) nation wide liberal weeklies now, emphasizing (monkey) politics, 'human politics is monkey behaviour' -- http://groene.alias.nl/.. I added the link in case anybody wants to crank it through a translator, what follows are my impressions:

2 prevalent politics
This review by RvdHoeven doesn't specify if FdW ties either of them to any particular conditions (in the way Wrangham did in 'demonic males' with food competition*) but it is likely that the over 300 page book will have stats.

the reviewer hilites 2 peculiarly divergent ways politics happen (*or are they like eb and flow really? after a bloodletting of/by the wilder boys it's the turn of hi testosterone ladies to whisper council into ears of their choosing?):

the unpredictable rush/raid to keep subjects on their toes (*perhaps a type of inoculation for the real thing? ...throwing up questions about how the neighbourhood got to be hostile) and punish the slowest, most hapless of them (living in fear that builds till they turn around and manage to coll' enough to tear the big dictator to little pieces) VS the coalition building kindness to the low rank masses.

musage: Is the fact that Frans inofficially leads the world (on to and in to 'rendition'(?) I mean internalization of these for all practical purposes and soberly seen indelible connections, insights, foci and spurs to intelligence and pangs of conscience for years now), in any way tied to the Bushchimp iconography being so popular?

If the 'sexpose Cernevils' are any way conducive to coalition coalescence of the kindly casualization, that is, without recourse to coercive and artificial scale propping to the overspecialistic and class polarizing bother- and bloatsome stratifications prone to toppling I wish 'm well

.. . like . .. if the interknits don't become the largest and most collective public works in verifiable memory we'll be up for the darker among sf scenarios for sure, that stuff is lucrative and fake everything enough to launch 'one' into governorship of the richest region on earth right?.

sex + feminism = Bonobo + Frans de Waal* . .. .totally .. .hands down.

*he is in the smaller of the two (Dutch) nation wide liberal weeklies now emphasizing (monkey) politics:

the unpredictable rush/raid to keep subjects on their toes (and in a fear that builds till they turn around and manage to coll' enough to tear the little dictator to pieces) and punish the slowest most hapless of them

vs

the coalition building kindness to the low rank masses.

Is the fact Frans leads the world into internalizing these connections that make the Bushchimp iconography so popular?

version 2:

sex + feminism = Bonobo + Frans de Waal* . .. .totally .. .hands down.

*he is (reviewed) in the smaller of the two (Dutch) nation wide liberal weeklies now, emphasizing (monkey) politics:

the unpredictable rush/raid to keep subjects on their toes and punish the slowest most hapless of them (living in fear that builds till they turn around and manage to coll' enough to tear the big dictator to little pieces) VS the coalition building kindness to the low rank masses.

musage: Is the fact that Frans leads the world in and on to 'rendition'(?) and internalize these connections, foci and spurs for years now, in any way tied to the Bushchimp iconography being so popular?

If your 'sexpose' is in any way conducive to coalition coalescence of the kindly casualization, that is, without recourse to coercive and artificial scale propping to the overspecialistic and class polarizing stratifications prone to toppling .. . like . .. if the interknits don't become the largest and most collective public works in verifiable memory we'll be up for the darker among sf scenarios for sure, that stuff is lucrative and fake everything enough to launch 'one' into governorship of the richest region on earth right?)

version 3:
sex + feminism = Bonobo + Frans de Waal* . .. .totally .. .hands down.

*he is (reviewed) in the smaller of the two (Dutch) nation wide liberal weeklies now, emphasizing (monkey) politics, 'human politics is monkey behaviour' -- I added the link in case anybody wants to crank it through a translator, what follows are my impressions:

2 prevalent politics
This review by RvdHoeven doesn't specify if FdW ties either of them to any particular conditions (in the way Wrangham did in 'demonic males' with food competition) but it is likely that the over 300 page book will have stats on the peculiarly divergent ways (or are they like eb and flow really?) politics happen:

the unpredictable rush/raid to keep subjects on their toes and punish the slowest most hapless of them (living in fear that builds till they turn around and manage to coll' enough to tear the big dictator to little pieces) VS the coalition building kindness to the low rank masses.

musage: Is the fact that Frans leads the world in and on to 'rendition'(?) and internalize these connections, foci and spurs for years now, in any way tied to the Bushchimp iconography being so popular?

If your 'sexpose' is in any way conducive to coalition coalescence of the kindly casualization, that is, without recourse to coercive and artificial scale propping to the overspecialistic and class polarizing stratifications prone to toppling .. . like . .. if the interknits don't become the largest and most collective public works in verifiable memory we'll be up for the darker among sf scenarios for sure, that stuff is lucrative and fake everything enough to launch 'one' into governorship of the richest region on earth right?).

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics...006901 Singularity/SuperIntelligence Levels
The term "SI:" (Singularity/SuperIntelligence) Level was first proposed by the self-evolved hyperturing Parmenides of Vesta, one of the Twenty Four Hyperturings that, together with human states-beings established the (first) Federation. Together with the R-number, the S-number can be used to define the intelligence and basic noetics of most subturing, turingrade, superturing and hyperturing sentients.

SI:1 :: the historical late information age series of events whereby AIs breached the first singularity barrier for the first time.

Once we breach the first singularity barrier we are in the region of superintelligence, the transapient hyperturings and posthumans, the po or sings or lowsings as they are sometimes termed. This toposophic is nicknamed (by sapients, especially superbrights) the Fast Zone, Fast Time, or Hyper Time, because of the astonishing rate of information processing. Life moves quickly here. Ten metric years of slow time are like ten thousand years in the lower fast zone.
northanger | 12.09.05 - 12:22 pm | #
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At the beginning it’s easy to jump from one stable configuration to the next, from basic human to the different levels of updated and advanced gestalt minds and so on. But when you reach the part of the function that goes vertical, it’s nearly impossible to advance to stable higher configurations. And then there is the point where the distance between two stable configurations is infinite, a form of a singularity barrier. Instead of a singularity, we have something of an anti-singularity.”

In his 2001 essay, The Law of Accelerating Returns, Ray Kurzweil generalizes Moore's law, which describes an exponential growth pattern in the complexity of integrated semiconductor circuits, to include technologies from far before the integrated circuit to future forms of computation. He believes that the exponential growth of Moore's law will continue beyond the use of integrated circuits into technologies that will lead to the Singularity, which he defines as technological change so rapid and profound it represents a rupture in the fabric of human history. He declares that whenever a technology approaches some kind of a barrier, a new technology will be invented to cross that barrier. He predicts that such paradigm shifts will become more and more common as we approach the singularity.

To me, the concept of the Singularity as a "wall" implies a period of infinite change, that is, a mathematical Singularity. If there is a point in time at which change is infinite, then there is an inherent barrier in looking beyond this point in time. It becomes as impenetrable as the event horizon of a black hole in space, in which the density of matter and energy is infinite. The concept of the Singularity as a "surge," on the other hand, is compatible with the idea of exponential growth. It is the nature of an exponential function that it starts out slowly, then grows quite explosively as one passes what I call the "knee of the curve." From the surge perspective, the growth rate never becomes literally infinite, but it may appear that way from the limited perspective of someone who cannot follow such enormously rapid change.
northanger | 12.09.05 - 12:23 pm | #

------ (northanger posts on the Moore, Kurzweil, the wall/singularity/dark pastblastingly bright future) --- I disqualify all this grandiloquizing of techeads on the basis of their vehemently denied and for that all the more blatantly obvious inflammatory impatience for omnipotence; their transparantly feverish dreams of power don't get an ounce of appropriate powder placed correctly yet they have to use the rhetoric that doubles and disguises correct (core) action to describe the benefits of the other side, past and into the transformative dark, never letting on the barrier is physical radial and decidedly distributed; spots where concentrations occur are heavily militarized, metered etcetera but that does not and will never be able to negate l. . .eh .. ..nuptionotionalism as follows: DISPURSE, DISBURSE BLAST SMASH CLASH BASH SCATTER DISSIPATE - CONTACT SURFACE PLEXPLOSION OF CRUSHED ROCK DEEPENS SOIL, TERRESTRIAL SPRING LOAD STORE FOR RUSH OF LIFE'S LONGER CYCLES - INNUMERABLY PRINCIPLED PIET PROTOCALLERS KNOCK ON HEAVEN'S FLOOR, OFF THE LID N OPE THE DOOR SO CONTENT CAN BE LIT UP AND LIT OUT -----

northanger quoted: "Once we breach the first singularity barrier we are in the region of superintelligence, the transapient hyperturings and posthumans, the poor sings or lowsings as they are sometimes termed. This toposophic is nicknamed (by sapients, especially superbrights) the Fast Zone, Fast Time, or Hyper Time, because of the astonishing rate of information processing. Life moves quickly here. Ten metric years of slow time are like ten thousand years in the lower fast zone."

------- here again the opposite is true, people become less shamefaced about burning up the past and to compensate pretend they are heaving heaps of future into the present ----- this language purports to legitimize but perverts X since it lends but alienates, it severs and abducts general principle, it tries to stage a model, extrapolate from a truth and do concentrated versions of the good stuff (never looking back) and putting their loot and very being to detrimental and counterproductive use (usury) for the very source they play surrogate/sighpost flagship (flogshop) and pointer to.

When and as long as 'progressive' spirit dictates reality, rather than being unable to carry concepts of the future to term, we lose our past and the very ground (dare I mention ancestral ties?) that supports us at dizzying blurspeed (though the results, are of course the same .. which the likes of sd (( labouring under the illusion my kind burdens, and the sooner left behind them the better)) deny and will not accept).

Something wonderful submitted to imperial display, refined to a formula fakery, a weaponsystem development with all the side benefits of awe struck crowd drawing spectacle. And it was ever thus. A hot naked philosopher has no practical consequences beyond underground fun like showing poppypuppetBush (and the cabal of cold calculators up his back) as a chimp.

ps: post about chimp/bonoby politics circumstance.

105th comment: Now, just in case someone will want to whine I am whinily attempting obstruction and 'absolutizing' (the dutch do use the v(h)erbiform*) an in fact very diverse field with plenny of room to fill with endeavors of my type strategizing (bycause they haven't gotten to recognize the extent of hormone levels dictated hunger for resources rampage invasiveness ((they consider space itself monopolizable)) coupled with the exclusions and lockout of autonomy and fair trade oriented nativity, the dishonest selectivity of dominance desire driven force applied to animate rather than inanimate levels of existence, starting choice that early it does indeed look staggeringly exponential if you follow it up back all the way into some serious trees - even though that needs to remain a matter of imagination for the next 1000 years, perfect field to apply the fakery skills to I would say), I'll offer a preemptive answer: stop trying to turn the tables. - We can't have a certain age group (the one with the right hormone levels) dominate the rest just bycause they are most prone and likely to apply force unthinkingly. The solution is pretty simple: wage war with sperm, shoot whomever you like with it (be prepared to get close enough to the prettiest and most evocative of dickteazers to make the simulation a success but not close enough to get personal). With that understanding I agree, admit and take into account we are all connected, up from capitalists/jews (even Marx and Jesus need successors).

* non-existent even in Dutch

quoting Rowan Berkeley again

2005-12-06T10:24:00.000-08:00

national anarchist: 5. CONDUCTING POLITICS FROM GREAT HEIGHTS (AND SIMILAR FANTASIES) One of the more comical approaches to anti-Establishment politics can be seen from those who urge that ‘we’, or ‘the white people’ or ‘the black people’ or ‘the working class’ or a particular nation or group of nations, or some other enormous social group ought to adopt some grand political position vis-à-vis some great opposition force. Perhaps one of the best examples appeared in an Internet discussion group recently when one Mr Rowan Berkeley advanced the following argument: I may as well say this, if we wish to reverse the Black colonisation of Europe and North America, we should be prepared to surrender all of Africa to the Blacks, and Australasia to the East Asians. Only an Imperial system of hegemonic States will allow Whites to keep their continental outposts without allowing Black and Asian immigration to White home continents in exchange, and conversely, only an offer to Black and Asian Nationalists of their entire continents returned will obtain their agreement to quit ours. --

Mr Berkeley responded with, inter alia, the following: My opinion is that the inherent contradiction between Jewish multiculturalism (for everybody else) and Jewish monoculturalism (for Jews) will lead to a general collapse of the moral order (now there's a disarmingly old-fashioned expression which should reassure our concerned friends who may be eavesdropping). By 'general collapse' I mean a collapse at all levels, from Buck House to the local pub. A good phrase for this (from the mostly harmless Jurgen Habermas, I think) is 'legitimation crisis'. When that happens, there will be an equally general demand for a system, of ideological wallpaper (to put it no higher) that the erstwhile multicultural States can use to reorganise themselves. Schemes for equitable and consensual population exchange will suddenly become fashionable. Except perhaps in Jewish circles, since it is not at all clear that the hodge-podge of people who are currently taught to call themselves 'Jews' actually have a homeland to go back to, qua 'Jews', the modern Jewish identity being really fictitious, a product of 19th century fantasists. Absent their various hare-brained schemes for culture- and race-mixing, though, it is perfectly possible that the world's other inhabitants will breathe a sigh of relief and start discussing the happy project of consensually unscrambling their populations. If you can't imagine that, you've lost the gift of optimism.

-- more at the other 'spots'. and also of interest: alexandr-dugin-quotes-jacov-bromberg.html --- From an interview Joshua Frank did recently with Ward Churchill

affective frictions lead to infective fictions

2005-12-02T03:24:00.000-08:00

I'd rather think of ways to rub transparancy and their semi derivatives, air, water and clouds or steam) and secret yet sacredly grounded obscurity (rocks) together rough enough to end polarization and give way to ever renewable primordial and muddy offspring myself, haven't you?

PreS: I tried eliminating line breaks by hand but ran out of patience toward the end, if anybody knows how to solve this problem (caused by the hopefully temparary and intermittent ones with by me beloved Netscape browsers which transfer table background colours to blogspot ok but firefox doesn't so I am pasting code and it causes these dumb linebreaks) I wouldn't mind hearing from you . .. . .

at the compostartist sibling of this site I devoted 3 in the last 4 items to a neighbour: peacepalestine. Here's more recent input interspersed with quotes:

peacepalestine.blogspot
snippets; here's the operatrice: I personally get a major kick out of Joe deconstructing Iby. Joe knows what he is doing, by deflating this Jewish Supremacist whose agenda is to say, "I'm chosen and you're not". When you ask him! what the basis of this chosenness is, what it entails, how he theologically bases it, he comes up 2 of spades, or comes up with "must suck to be you", this is an indication of the total void of his argument.

peacepalestine.
Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - Gilad Atzmon - Peace is not 'shalom' and 'Shalom' is not Sharon - comments/thecutter/11..8/

yesterday I saw a few comments on ParDeS, one signed Mary favoring rapproachment between Islam and Christianity. I haven't been here long enough to tell if it was you but I wrote similar lines earlier this week (seen
at the blog.pulpculture and at the link). -- Last night I blogged all over you at right-wing-stronghold-easy-money and cast, not exactly aspersions but certainly suspicions on you which I 'd be happy for you to defuse refuse or let stand. I'll certainly come around to make my mind up more later.

piet | Homepage | 11.24.05 - 12:15 pm | #

Now, Piet, I tried really hard to follow your post in your
blog. I admit, most of it has got to be my own problem in understanding, because as soon as I started making a connection, the topic would go on a new tangent (Finnegan's Wake, for sure!) and I was lost. What are the suspicions? If they are that a site like this brings out a lot of agitated opinions, sometimes turning into smearing, well, that is pretty much normal for the type of subject that we have here that stimulates such an emotional response. I guess the thing is, I don't delete comments much. Otherwise, there would be just one opinion with varying shades. If the aspersions are that I in some way tolerate racism, you can rest assured that I certainly do not. But, letting an idiotic racist rant says more about him than it does about me. I have to admit, I know a lot about the Arab world, and have a special affection for the plight of the people in various Arab countries which does make me intolerant of! those who would try to paint their rights as somehow lesser. That said, I differentiate completely the categories of Zionist and Jew. The Zionists don't want that, and it can be a trap. This site is antizionist, so of course, there are going to be arguments that go really far, because unfortunately, the Zionists have painted Jews into a corner by attempting to make them into Zionists, or make people think they are. So, some articles people link up could be quite radical. I don't have editorial power over other sites, just this one, so what is up on my blog is where I stand. The comments are like a party. If some guests get drunk easier than others, the host has no control over it. ps. thanks for the compliment btw! love that bioziobait word
... very funny!!

thecutter | Homepage | 11.24.05 - 10:53 pm | #

I was reacting to Iby's mantric use of the word "antisemite", which so pleases him precisely because it implies racial theory. My point is that it is just as legitimate to refer to judaism as "a criminal ideology" as it is to refer to nazism that way. Of course, judaism has many variants : some religious, some secular, some explicitly exclusivist, some pseudo-universalist, and so on. However, they all start from the belief in a species-like distinction between jews and all other humans. I rather suspect that the nazi theory of aryanism was merely an attempt to mirror this, since it obviously has a powerful (and pathological) solidarity effect.

Interestingly, Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc., would have agreed with me - however, they produced a theory of "nationalities" which allowed empirically existing ethnic groups to retain their traditional terrain and folkways to a considerable extent - or to receive new terrain if they had none - all of this at the expense of marxist logic. Trotsky even organised
jewish-only detachments within the Red Army (not a lot of people know that ...)!

Rowan Berkeley | 11.25.05 - 3:19 pm | #

The Birth of the the Tragedy

On Reason, Justice and the Victim Mentality -- "The Birth of Tragedy' being Frederick Nietzsche first book - the Apollo principle of clarity and reason, and the Bacchic principle of revelry, emotion and seduction of the senses etc - artistic principles so beautifully set to poetry by Johhny Keats in his series of 'Odes'

joe90 | Homepage | 11.25.05 - 3:34 pm | #

hmmm ... Gilad's research and composition is decidedly spotty in that one.
Rowan Berkeley | 11.25.05 - 4:17 pm | #

MHoward, you still haven't grasped my point. I would be foolish to deny that most people who define themselves as "Jews" rationalise this by saying that, even if they did not, the rest of the world would do so for them - in other words, that "being Jewish"! is an ascriptive identity.
However, this is dishonest, because until about the beginning of the twentieth century assimilation was going full pelt, in
other words, people of Jewish descent were simply walking away from their supposed "Jewish identity" - however, if we take Germany as a case for examination, we find that a sufficient proportion of these ostensible "ex-Jews" were continuing to network preferentially with other "ex-Jews" rather than with "non-ex-Jews", via Jewish Masonic lodges, unitarianism, and
other especially liberal forms of religious-civic organisation. This led to a situation like that with the so-called "Marranos" in Spain : they had cast off the label "Jews" but were still acting as a sort of state-within-a-state. This in turn led to the emergence of the racial theory - to which I myself do not subscribe - the theory that they were genetically predisposed to this behaviour and thus "couldn't help it". And this is the origin of the much loved word "anti-semitism", which the lazy minded of you now use as an excuse for being exactly what the Nazis accused you of being, on the theory that since you are being accused of it anyway you might as well do it. (give a dog a bad name)...

Rowan Berkeley | 11.26.05 - 9:12 am | #

Rowan posts a radio station (in hebrew)

http://glz.msn.co.il/video.html

mms://stream.msn.co.il/glz-stream

(windows media player)

what, MHoward, you now get to decide who is Jewish enough and who is not? What sort of thought is permitted to Jewish people and what is beyond the pale? As a matter of fact, only Atzmon is an ex-Jew, having stated that he does not affiliate himself with the religion, and of course, rightly identifying Jewishness as a religion and not an ethnic group (wasn't it only some 60 years ago that Jews were fighting against being considered as a race?). Yet, the others, YOU ! ASSUME are not religious. And two of them, are actually Zionists! Lev Grinberg is a wonderful friend of mine, a brilliant individual, but he classifies himself as a cultural Zionist. Avnery is a Zionist against the occupation as well, Clement, who I also know is religious. Ilan has said he is not religious, but he considers himself culturally a Jew, and Amnon and Shamai, I don't personally know, but I don't assume they are atheists. I have no way of knowing, although they consider themselves Jews, so I

imagine they ARE Jews. There are others on my blog, just run down the menu there,
Hanna Braun, Neve Gordon, Jeff Blankfort, Avigail Abarbanel, Meron Benvenisti, Oren Ben Dor, Akiva Orr, Dorothy Naor, Ariella Atzmon, Gideon Levy, Uri Avnery, Zvi Schuldiner, Naomi Klein, Michel Warschawski, Lea Tsemel, Greta Berlin, Lenni Brenner, Benyamin Merhav, Juliano Mer Khamis, Ran HaCohen....There are articles about Tali Fahima, the Refusniks,
Machsom Watch people, why are they less Jewish simply because they don't support the Zionist dream the way you see it and don't accept Jewish supremacy?

MHoward775: You will notice, thier is not one article that mentions, worries or thinks about Jewish pain due to the sucide bombings.

"Jewish pain" - never to be confused with actaul human pain of course -

"Jewish pain" is something special, something the rest of us aren't privy to, hence its non-appearance on blogs, and what have you, that are actually sane and rational and make no claims to 'mysticism' Jewish or otherwise, and so can pass no verdict comment or opinion on something that isn't accessible
to mere ordinary non-Jewish mortals.

joe90 | Homepage | 11.26.05 - 10:19 pm | #

Cutter - the exact translation is "bring him up as an offering upon one of the mountains..." The clear instruction is to bring him up and prepare him as an offering, with the intention of sacrifice but there being no command yet to actually sacrifice Isaac.

You have to read the actual hebrew, not some Christian translation. After all, adam never knew anyone named Eve. But he did know Chava. -- IT

Any analogies to the holocaust you care to make?

in the next exchange of comments you are handed a piece of truth (about christian language; not something to take one way
as done here but that's not the point at the moment) and then in turn pretend to proffer it (rather than thanking profusely and instilling the need and use to next generations) with the air of outrage over ingrate refusal. That's the kind of table turning anyone aspiring to functional employment of and within the jewish mindset rather than it's bleeding edges best master cause a sense of superiority has to become as genuine as second ature can get. Betrayal of any and all firsts made a matter of principle thereby.

Only within the last few years have I made a quantum leap in understanding how the magician, stage craftee and priest can cultivate this supremacy simply by letting a select few family members into his timing and reasoning behind the switchy swatches from literal to metaphor, from phys to meta and from dust to diamond; the story of the loaves and fishes, taken by
christians as unique and surely miraculous whereas it was a mere manner of expressing priestly status for so many of them until that trouble maker ruined the distinguished title of land and seafood provider for a while or forever (I am really not up on jewish customs that well nor do ever wanna be; matter of fact I'd like to see ALL holy books drown in waves of laughter or otherwise die the humurous and merciful deaths by divestment and disinterest rather than the violence provoked by disavowal of the obvious which builds tension, corrupts and makes everything unliveable unaffordable and unhealthy).

site-operatrice wrote: ah, Iby, so being born is a crime

Piet: No but birthrates (even low ones)
when seen in the light of
footprint data (sustainability factor) can easily be, and there
are few tribes, few regions, few nations (I don't even know of any but hope to find them) and certainly no MNCs who make my grade. Semitic races being notorious offenders and through bible and such spurring on others to work up a sense of very phoney entitlement causing havoc among more polite races/peoples/siblings, who generally left wide swaths of noman's land between them to buffer against hard times and prevent polarization to become razorthin and sharp
(Israel boasts a wailing and now a willing wall, strongwilled champion of aries must bust itself out of being walled ! in by fause distinction).

Somebody everybody here seems to keep calling 'IT' for reasons as yet unclear to me:
Muslim is a person who believes a racist ideology of Islam where if a land once belonged to a muslim, it alway does and a person must do everything in their power including encouraging his son to blow himself up to kill the new owner. So hating muslims would and should be a very natural thing as they
practice a belief system where they are allowed to lord themselves over everyone.

Ibrahamav | 11.25.05 - 9:41 pm | #

Replace 'Muslims' with 'Jews' in the 2 middle (of four) lines (3times) and the cruel truth in them is not only more true as
far as the Middle East is concerned but is true of even many more parts in the world; irony is that a second wave of semitic money (oil revenues rather than those from taxfarming, war financing and concommitent processes that dispossess*, deautonomize, industrialize and turn the cozily ! crooked narrow path in the broad and errant ways of the world) don't do much better when it comes to regaining ground on extensive yet quite intense desertification tendencies (fueled from the heart of all citys to0 big for their breeches and footprint). check
this picture:

http://home.deds.nl/~izeboud/..jpg
* -- I saw many hippy protest/activism publications/posters that took inspiration from this painting (by a german lady).Says it all to me except I'd add a lot of permaculture, archi-libre and pleachitecture type stuff to the right side and leave out the top part on either out altogether.

"WIDE AND NARROW WAY"

ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/

~caforum/volume2/.. "Es Sind Zween Weg": Singing Amish Children into the Faith Community a crude version shown in this long article; source: #footnote19 Daniel Sudermann. 1622. "The choice between the wide and narrow way." In Schöne ausserlesene Figuren. Frankfurt a.M. Cited in Harms 1970, 348.

7 pages worth of images for 'WIDE AND NARROW WAY' do not turn up any relevant ones.

Av accuses me of lying; I go: I wasn't exactly lying, just forgot to change the comment after
deciding to quote the 2 lines in question (after all, instead of just the time stamp) but leaving out the pre- and succeeding (opening and closing) ones (adding to four for sure) but you, as usual are too eager to show spokesmen for, identifiers with and aspirers to the ones who like to win by hook and/or crook up for the unpleaseant folk such are regardless of race origin and itinerary, leading me to conclude you might just be an antisemite who thinks he is clever at impersonation just for sticking with it.

Piet, here are example of the civil discourse encouraged by cutter mary: you talk like a bloody racist. Ah, right, that's cuz you are a
bloody racist! --- thecutter

Jewish pain" - never to be confused with actaul human pain of course --- joe90

Whether or not this latest focus on a virtual pin-head is
really related,

Gerry Hiles

It concentrates historical relevance on Jewish problems of local events under the aspect of personal experience. This is the reason why most of the memoirs and reports are full of
preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilletante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies. The question thus arises whether participants of such a world-shaking epoch can at all be its historians and whether the time has already come when
valid historic judgment, free of partisanship, vindictiveness and ulterior motives, is possible."

Rowan Berkeley | 11.26.05 - 8:38 pm | #

you are quoting out of context big time; leads me to wonder if you either have no humor, no irony, lotsa mirrorphobia, fear of anything beyond ultra-subjective pictures, a case of uncurious ageold scapegoaterism (to pathological invalidate disown and project the impression you make on others without exception) or all at once.

piet | Homepage | 11.28.05 - 9:09 pm | #

125th:

I forgot to mention sarcasm .. .

by the way, I replied after reading the quotes under mistaken assumption Av made that (8:38) comment, I've read the rest now too adn see it's a comment by Rowan. Heh.

Are you saying she ought to prune uncouth language?

Turn this blog into bonsai?

If Mary is an undercover zionist out to collect and tease out proof of violent intention, prosecutable flamage etcetera, Av is her best bait (seeing reality ((move)) only and exclusively
in terms of violence, much like rightwingers howling about Ward Churchill's wish to 'see the USA off the planet altogether', never admitting he might think of and prefer peaceful secession ((he's easy, would go either way))). Personally I am weighing chances Av could be an anti-semite who thinks he is clever for playing the villain so consistently, taking perverse pride in impersonating the mindset 'sporters' who's favorite historical
bludgeon is not just a but THE holocaust and who's edge on violent praxis he (and the likes of him) would love to take over.

this comments board is getting mighty crowded, and i will try to put my €0.02 in (just got a new keyboard with the Euro sign, so humour me). I will start with the latest post, and try to move upwards, if not exactly onwards.

piet: WHO am I quoting out of context big time? I generally include complete texts in my articles, Have I a sense of humour? I like to think so, but only my hairdresser knows for sure. And WHAT in the world do I have to do with scapegoating?

Joe: this is the problem with MH. He wants to decide what the correct Jewish thought is, who a real Jew is. It might be good for him to open his eyes and find out that not everyone accepts his tribal and racist world view.

MHoward: welcome to INTERNET! it's a crazy place where you write an article and find it simultaneously on: a far right, a far left, a wacko, a religious, an atheist, a humour, a political discussion etc site... people pick up whatever! Looking up things about maps, I would find the most Zionist ones on Christian sites, if you want to know. Do you like those strange bedfellows? But, you seem to tolerate them fairly well enough.

As to the Islamic Jihad, I don't remember ever mentioning support for them. Those who have followed this blog from the outset know two things: I am only interested in giving whatever service I can to seeing that the Palestinian people get their rights. If this means through elections, they have every right on this earth to have the parties run that they feel are going
to resolve their situation. You look at Hamas as suicide bombers, the Palestinians see them as a political and social force with a militia. The other thing you learn from this blog is that it is about time to start thinking out of the box:

Two states for two people is not going to work. Right now MH, you are probably supporting it, three years ago, I bet not... ideas develop and one has got to stop thinking about what's best for the tribe. You can't divide Palestine, you never could. It is time to realise this. If Jews are happy to live as equal citizens in the land they took, I think they will be able to do that. Otherwise, they are going to have to be ready for permanent war, because there will always be a Palestinian people, and they will not be crushed no matter what suits you and your family out there in Massachusetts.

thecutter | Homepage | 11.28.05 - 9:48 pm | #

ya know piet, I HAVE been accused of being an undercover zionist before. The first time, it shocked me, because I haven't got a zionist cell in my body, but I realise it is because these ideas of more militant solidarity are beyond the things the left gatekeepers want, and to keep themselves
central to the discourse, they discredit anyone or anything outside of it.

thecutter | Homepage | 11.28.05 - 9:52 pm | #

sorry about the confusium, I WAS responding to 'IT' I think y'all call him (why?) who was quoting 5 'boarders' here to prove his choosyness (nose for choice bits of . . . eh .. .I guess he sees them as indictables, attacks, exhibits or something).

unpublished: I don't know what Gilad sounds like (neither voice nor saxophornblowwise) but the next link goes to a person who audibly illustrates some of that stereotypically bizarre mix of intellectualism (in the sense of fevered dreams and visions of social software,
lefty flavored grey matter farming the old fashioned way, via books by marx in this case) with patriarchal drive to win.

http://mp3.lpi.org.uk
the one at the top linked from here: Week-of-Mon-20051121/025751

'anger'? 'power'? thinning/spreading minerals from rocks, trees in a forest, people out of cities

God why can't these terminally brought up short 'alphabeateikels' (eikels = dicks) focus on thinning? Why herd people into masses and pull godgiven diversity forsaking pile, (ac)count, and store beyond town size scope and scale games?

Rowan Berkeley | 11.26.05 - 9:12 am | #

thecutter/11..8/#96782

Excellent!!!!!!!!! sticking feathers enemies let fly at you to attempt derogation and bad light painting in your hat is a pride taking process caught in the single dutch word 'geuzennaam' (from the days they fought/inundated the spanish, then very much under semito expansion spell and sponsorship ((ask the forest sprites how lovely they think that word)), pretty irrelevant wether Moor or jew no? They certainly had to learn deal with waves of both since then), an anglo-recent example would be 'queer'. *jewdas.org/joseph.htm
short but highly enlightening file; here's a quote: "Joseph’s story teaches that
security comes not from aligning yourself with those with power and strength, but from working together with the poorest in society and promoting justice for the oppressed. If you seek only your own welfare, and persecute others to achieve it, you may become persecuted yourself. The text contains a timeless message: none of us are free until all of us are free."--- typical case of left ziomarxism scolding the left ziocapitalism? Anyway, I was onboard for this part already, it goes a little farther than that thoug: "Rather than simply a means to survive a famine, Joseph’s plan can be read as a self-fulfilling prophecy. By taking away the people’s surpluses , they were forced into agricultural overproduction, and the over farming of the land is the chief cause of the resultant famine. The programme is simply a means for the state to take control, to overthrow a localised ,
autonomous society, and turn it into a centralised autocracy, similar to the use of enclosure in English history."

palestinian-factions-and-associations
Observe Partition's Remembrance Day --

Nessie
vs Gehrig (cache
link) . .. can only be reached as a cache at the mo
(at least a minute ago I it allowed me to reach it
so); excerpts:

Re: The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly: "What's the Matter with Indymedia?"
---- by David Gehrig
- zemblan (nospam) earthlink.net (verified) Current rating: 28 Jul 2005
----- One more comment on the topic of "Just Too Fucking Whack" -- what happens when a just-too-fucking-whack actually _runs_ an IMC? Check it out for yourself; it's called SF-IMC, and is the vestigial rump left from the Great San Francisco Schism, a nasty divorce in which one SF-based IMC ("Indybay") got the bulk of the energy and the other ("SF-IMC") got, among other things, nessie. Indybay was one of the ones listed as "exemplary" in the article above, and deservedly so. San Francisco -- and the IMC network as a whole -- voted with its
feet. Nessie's commented on the alternet article too; see
sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/..

gehrig vs nessie -- by nessie fan

You're lying, gehrig. Here's what nessie REALLY says. indybay.org/news/2005/07/1754980

=
a different anchor than Gehrig links to, this pattern repeats:

indybay..hidden.php?id=1750589

indybay..hidden.php?id=1754980

the item collected comments for over 5 weeks and is 280 total, i am posting the original link.

ucimc.org/feature/display/87217/

speaking of partition, ghettoization, displacement, refugeedom
and especially demonization .. .. is anybody here familiar with Karl Kraus?

I am looking for an opportunity to locate all the instances he creates similes, coins expression and uses metaphors with 'philister' as prominent ingredient. He was an agnostic independent journal publisher using very lingwinded, contorted, flowery grace note and sidelines filled styles. The jews of Vienna were often targets of his misprision, derision and
exposure (he was one himself and influenced Canetti but suprisingly few others, the mailing list is very quiet and last I asked there ((years
ago)) received no
response).

There is a searchable cd out and otherwise I'll have to venture into a university town some time.

in response to MHoward775 | 12.01.05 - 6:31 pm | #

windsofchange.net..005248.php#c57

Colt, have you read the books yet that T.J.Madison recommended to you? Here are a few more: Naeimi Giladi, BenGurion's Scandals: How the Haganah and the Mossad eliminated Jews and Wilbur Crane Eveland, Ropes of Sand. The report of the former Israeli and present U.S. citizen, Naemi Giladi, on Zionist anti-Jewish (and anti-American) activities in the Iraq of around 1950 can also be read on the website of Neturei Karta (Jews united against Zionism). Giladi, a former Iraqi Jew, claims that the Jewish community of Iraq, which had been living for generations in that country in relative peace, was induced to migrate to Israel by an underground Zionist bombing campaign. His view is backed up by the late Wilbur Crane Eveland, a former senior officer of the CIA, in his book Ropes of Sand.

Eveland states that the 1950 attacks in Baghdad on the United States Information Service Library (a favorite gathering place for young Jews)and on various synagogues came from Zionist agents and that the US Embassy received at the time conclusive proof of that. These bits of information seem all the more relevant today in view of the complaints about an increase in the number of anti-Semitic incidents in France. Recently the Jewish Agency delared that it wanted at least 10,000 French Jews to migrate to Israel. Sharon has also publicly hammered on this theme in his usual bull-in- the-China shop way. Who is behind some of these alleged anti-Semitic incidents? There are scarce bits of information. On the 18th of May Le Monde reported that the 17th Chamber of the 'tribunal correctionel' in Paris had sentenced Alexander Moise to a suspended prison term of two months and a fine. Moise,the head of the "French Friends of Israel's Likud Party" organization, had confessed that the alleged threatening and insulting telephone calls, regarding which he had filed a complaint in January, came from himself. In short, Mr.Madison doesn't seem 'unhinged' to me at all. He has just been less selective in gathering information than is commonly the case with the 'friends of Israel'.
-- Arie Brand

Ghassan Kanafani (10-19-03, 05:32 PM):

Baghdad's youngest Jew : I wish Saddam could return

aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/..E.jpg

In Saddam's day, there was the rule of law, there was safety. Now I dare not let my daughter out of the house. She won't be able to complete her studies. This is what the Americans have
brought", said Subhiyya What good is that to us. Look at our houses, look at the way we
live … has democracy put food on our tables, safety on our streets, electricity in our homes. Saddam did all these
things," Nidhal replied Not completely out of representation , but it has to be said
that Saddam loved his Jews (and Christians) ...... a little bias from their side cannot be shoved aside
that easily.

aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/...jpg

There are fewer than 20 Jews living in Baghdad, almost all to
be found in the al-Bitawin district. Down from over 125,000 less than 60 years ago.
Nidhal Salhi , the community's youngest member, is in her late 40s: I was born here, I was brought up here, all my friends are here
– why on earth should I want to leave? Sometimes I cry that I have no children and that I'm the last of my people – but I
love my home and Baghdad.

Baghdad's oldest Jew, Yaqub told the gathering that no Jew would ever have left Iraq if it hadn't been for the British.
Baghdad Jews: Exodus or extinction-Lawrence Smallman aljazeera.net/..
Interesting no ....... Otheadp ? Im sure hes just delirious ....

The story of Iraqi Jews is told by an ex-zionist Jew , Naem Giladi : Iraqi
Jews-

jewsagainstzionism...iraqijews
The story of Yemenite Jewry might be of interest as well: Yemenite Jews
(yemeniteJewry)
-- Both I have dealt with in my thread already The Jewish Question (sciforums.com/..) , so I will not elab! orate on this particular issue any
further. More importantly is the future , and Iraqi Jewry is threatened with extinction. Allthough I do not forsee some vivid return
of all our Jewish peoples , I do hope that a few might consider to go home, their real home , and rebuild their ancient
communitites. Perhaps Naem himself could hook up with miss Nidhal and make
some nice Hebrew babies :D (if she still can)

Repression of Palestinian Activists in the US
-

noah-cohen-

Gerry, you may know already but search with: "cancer cures"
and/or 'Hoxsey' and/or 'Rife' if you don't know these two geniuses already, I have a list with a whole lot more someplace if you
want.. .. . wait . . .. . Pietje Puk's april nettage; world's first grippy dig-it-all
gropings. ... concerning some celebrity's unconventional cancer therapy:
I have Just Read ... it is on Hoxsey (Hoxsey.com); the most gripping story of the year I feel ...
../2001/april.htm - 84k

. . one of the files that doesn't really exist anymore at lycos but google wants to hold on to good memories I guess .. . .
being as good to me (since I am pleased to be reminded of
hilites among hilites) as I to them
(in the hilitin' bizz if
ever any company was) and if they get more transparant as they
go along a trajectory I captioned thus in the dead of night after Allah was showing me all I love during the time I was awake
from having drunk coffee that had boiled (D
= 'geprutteld') a good little
while: de weg terug en vooruit naar kleinschalige prachtbegint bij
vrijlaten van vrouwen en aan de macht.
= the road back and forward to smallscale beauty begins with leaving women free and in pow(d)er.

45th
comment

Av's
endlessly repeated argument: Nobody has 'the
right to post garbage from neo-nazi web sites'
which he claims, tends to 'give people the go ahead to kill other people, whether you believe it or not.'

Stuff from such sites is indeed dangerous but only in the sense any
popul(ar)ist feelings, measures, worldviews, real and perceived differences and choices are; widely carried sentiment attracts impulsive and unreflective folk as well as thoughtful ones. Their danger lies, lurks and lurks in every aspect and faction where
explicit pacifist and -ism fails and/or is lacking. In top decent
circles pacifism is implicit and goes without saying (I expect Av not to understand this and am not writing this for the likes of him).

Piet:
Nazis didn't have the right idea (went about curing the ailments ((centralizations of the secretive rather than open variety)) the wrong way) but the diagnosis had it's merit even if violent cures haven't and won't ever work, what will is force applied to the bottom rungs of/along the radial/vertical axis between subsoil rock and canopy

Read her lips ziomaggot mechanical clueless clock,
FUCK OFF!

Anonymous | 12.01.05 - 5:04 am | #

Piet:
Haha, funny!! Reminds me of the Margot Fonteyn documentary I saw last
weekend; this lady who lacked social skills of all sorts let herself be
used posing as a cog in a clock, rigid, on one foot, a loooooong time,
turned at will by a range of men, no doubt expert at telling time.
Zionism is the culmination of patriarchy no matter what lovely things
folks like Ivry Dov (jewish
canadian ice hockey freak I share birthday with; 2 of spades day)
laud it for (practically
the opposite. ..of course)..

various fragments on ethnicountry and unethnicity..

2005-11-17T04:28:00.000-08:00

http://victoria.indymedia.org/.. Palestinians and Native Americans -- by Ytzhak • Saturday November 05, 2005 at 07:07 AM -- montfu65@hotmail.com

...While Native Americans and Palestinians were the ancient indigenous peoples of their lands, this was of little or no relevance to the foreign settlers. What really mattered was "Manifest Destiny", what really mattered was "Zionism".

Palestinians and Native Americans The Inherent Struggle for Freedom and Justice by Ramzy Baroud -- CounterPunch.org ---- January 14, 2003

Few can be as blunt regarding the legacy of the United States toward the native people of this land as the 26th President of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt. In his narrative, "The Winning of the West," Roosevelt spoke about the "spread of the English-speaking peoples over the world's wasted spaces." He wrote: "The European settlers moved into an uninhabited waste...the land is really owned by no one.... The settler ousts no one from the land. The truth is, the Indians never had any real title to the soi industrialism here, no mistake about that.

folkalley.com/music/song....15404 Bela Fleck & Edgar Meyer: Woolly Mammoth ---- Music for Two ----- SONYClassi 92106 ------------- so very much one of my favorite folkalley tunes!!!! .. . . .. .been a while but here it is again; so sorry I stuffed my computer so much it lamed the clip position button on my Real Player copy.

deleted (as were my contributions the next day which then ended up at indexterity)
http://blog.pulpculture.org/2005/11/15/new-trend/
Mmmm, not the sort of 'letters to the editor' posted to lbo just now I hope?

"Bombast compensates for a lack of substance. Kind of like piety among the Pharisees."

That's a load of a tangle no matter what your angle.

I'd personally look at these equations cross-eyed to get them straight, associating pharisees with bombast.

Then again, I 'd sooner agree that lack of substance often comes and goes cloaked in phariseeism than conceding most piety is disguised bombast.

It's a classic double bind loss of head and tail I guess. He must have the flue too.

northvegr.org/lore/swastika/index.php giant book arguing for diffusionism (migration of culture; might as well call it distortion, monstrification, out-of-boundsness, take your multifucking cultural pick axe yourself about. It's illustrated too, check the swiss swastikas: http://www.northvegr.org/lore/swastika/130.php can you see it yet? Just keep going and you'll find that the churchbell, audially hewing life into public and private is the ultimate swastika if you time tec right. The digitariat will be the most helpless yet destructive of all 'aritats', artiats, tarryats, whatever.

11. So long he sat until he slept; and he awoke of joy bereft: on his hands he felt heavy constraints, and round his feet fetters clasped. 12. “Who are the men that on the rings' possessor have laid bonds? and me have bound?” 13. Then cried Nidud, the Niarars' lord: “Whence gottest thou, Völund! Alfars' chief!2 our gold, in Ulfdal?” 14. “No gold was here in Grani's path, far I thought our land from the hills of Rhine. I mind me that we more treasures possessed, when, a whole family, we were at home.
15. Hladgud and Hervör were of Hlödver born; know was Ölrún,
Kiar's daughter, she entered into the house, stood on the floor, her voice moderated: “Now is he not mirthful, who from the forest comes.” King Nidud gave to his daughter Bödvild the ring which had been taken from the bast in Völund's house; but he himself bore the sword that had belonged to Völund. The queen said:

16. His teeth he shows, when the sword he sees, and Bödvild's ring
he recognizes: threatening are his eyes as a glistening serpent's:
let be severed his sinews' strength; and set him then in Sævarstad.
2. The designation of Alfars' chief, or prince, applied to Volund, who, as we learn from the prose introduction, was a son of a king of the Finns, may perhaps be accounted for by the circumstance that the poem itself hardly belongs to the Odinic Mythology, and was probably composed when that system was in its decline and giving place to the heroic or romantic.

LAST CHANGES:

Honor in German Literature Now Complete
9 Nov. 2005
Now up in the Northern European Studies section, we have the full text of Honor in German Literature by George Finwick Jones. When reading about Heithinn culture and tradition a lot of talk about honor will be encountered. Just what does the concept of honor really mean within Heithinn culture? Find out when you read Honor in German Literature.

Waltharius
4 Nov. 2005
Now up in the Northern European Studies section, we have an original translation by Abram Ring of the Latin epic Waltharius, which is founded on German popular tradition, which relates the exploits of the west Gothic hero Walter of Aquitaine, and was written by the monk of St. Gall, Ekkehard.

Honor in German Literature
17 June 2005
Now up in the Northern European Studies section, we have the first seven chapters of Honor in German Literature by George Finwick Jones. When reading about Heithinn culture and tradition a lot of talk about honor will be encountered. Just what does the concept of honor really mean within Heithinn culture? Find out when you read Honor in German Literature.

If you think northvegr is a must for and must be a favored haunt of tolkien enthusiasts you are wrong, their forum is quiet

http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-March/002333.html supporter of Shamir on an otherwise hostile list

down the thread a ways someone confirms my suspicions:

Several years ago I did meet Shamir on two separate occasions. In both cases he was the speaker and I sat in the audience. His talk started well and it was obvious that he is a bright and knowledgeable person. For whatever its worth, he seems to speak Hebrew, Russian and English rather fluently. Things progressed smoothly until a person in the audience asked him a question he seemingly did not like, and, all hell broke loose. He started to scream (an understatement) at that person in a rather insulting and hysterical mode. His second talk was a bit better but not by much. After these two experiences I concluded that he is a bright but a very disturbed individual. He
obviously has very poor emotional control..

http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-November/008411.html

interesting stuff gets posted there:

VDARE.COM - vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm
November 05, 2005 ----- “Stalin’s Willing Executioners”?
* By Kevin MacDonald csulb.edu/%7Ekmacd/ *

Also by Kevin MacDonald:
Thinking about neoconservatism
Was the 1924_immigration Cut-off “Racist”? --
And The Unmentionable Question Of ethnic Interests

Yuri Slezkine’s book / The Jewish Century which appeared last year to rapturous reviews
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/02/efron-on-slezkines-jewish-century.html , is an intellectual /tour de force/, alternately muddled and brilliant, courageous and apologetic. Slezkine’s greatest accomplishment is to set the historical record straight on the importance of Jews in the Bolshevik Revolution and its aftermath. He summarizes previously available data and extends our understanding of the Jewish role in revolutionary movements before 1917 and of Soviet society thereafter. His book provides a fascinating chronicle of the Jewish rise to elite status in all areas of Soviet society—culture, the universities, professional occupations, the media, and government. Indeed, the book is also probably the best, most up-to-date account of Jewish economic and cultural pre-eminence in Europe (and America) that we have.

-------- Well into the 20^th century, as Slezkine himself notes, most Eastern European Jews could not speak the languages of the non-Jews living around them. Slezkine also ignores their medieval outlook on life, their obsession with the Kabbala http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08590a.htm —the writings of Jewish mystics—their superstition and anti-rationalism, and their belief in magical remedies and exorcisms.

-------- Typical MacDonald: Forming alliances with exploitative elites is arguably the most reliably recurrent theme observable in Jewish economic behavior over the ages.

http://list.haifa.ac.il/pipermail/alef/2005-November/008508.html personal account of interaction with Israel Shamir by an italian lady, not mary from peacepalestine though she posts here too.

A colleague of Pim Fortuyn's killer is liquidated

2005-11-16T14:58:00.000-08:00

In Holland early this morn, a cockadoodledingdong (klokkeluider bit of a buzz word since a euro diplomat exposed corruption, lost his job over it and eventually started a europe transparant one man party) was offed with 2 bullets in his head.

This 41 year old journalist (defender of animal rights activists and other direct eco protesters) studied the ins and outs of the dutch secret services pretty closely and lived in THE hotbed of dutch leftyisms (Nijmegen is a town south of arnheim on the other big river ((near where they come close)) and traditionally catholic which means lots of architecture still suitable to communal living though more and more compartmentalized into stand alone segments, for a sample see www.derefter.nl ((requiring 6 hours worth of communal work)), besides the convents and monestaries landscape is spectacularly diverse).

A squat that houses a bookstore I attended a fair years and years ago was legalized thanks to his input.

One of the hot sexbomb actressess who had her break thanks to Theo van Gogh has made a documentary about possible slip ups of the service which I wrote to you about already. On top of that he leader of the green party in Nijmegen made matters more tense by demostratively trumping the sort of immigration policy criticism that had appeared after 11 people held in airport detention burned alive (partly drugsmugglers, partly perfectly invisible illegal aliens) by putting poster in his window with the text: "Reisbureau Rita, arrestatie deportatie crematie adequaat tot het bittere einde" = travel agent Rita*, arrest, deportation, cremation, adequate** to the bitter end.

Rita refers to our minister of integration and immigration who is doing a lot of work trying to clear 10 years of backlog which had over 25.000 asylum seekers waiting by the time she came on and some of them waiting . .. for over 10 years already, not allowed to work etcetera (in 80 I was to be deported from the states due to having voluntarily admitted I washed dishes for hosts along my travels, thinking it would help my case; those very people sent a letter of support stating I had not accepted money for that and other help).

In her first reaction to the fire Rita used (and used again) the word 'adequate' even before investigations had started, it made the left fuming mad. We're talking the first signs of US prison industrialism here, no mistake about that.

Police had entered 'establishments' (squats and radical bookstores) to remove lots milder banners. And now this. I am deeply depressed.

Strange enough, I feel quilty too cause I scolded the left last night .. . . http://powdertowell.blogspot.com

Some websites of the right are cheering this trun of events. No matter how much I think trying to fight obstructions to anonymity (a tool the right puts to use with much much greater effect, see www.michaelhudson.com) for activists is misplaced and a losing battle our country has just chalked up another day of disgrace. The right in France is cheering for different reasons and Tariq Ramadan smiles a suspicious lot on French talk tv even while he condemns violence. Must just be a mediagenic reflex(?).

On www.netwerk.tv now:
A --- cia tells little dutch boy brother secret services to publish doctor zhivago (in order to qualify it for a nobel) as a move in the cold war (new book out the whole affair this week)
B --- Ben Bot, our foreign minister (recently had to back paddle to the gov (get in line) line: support the us no matter what; his expressing doubt was played for what it was worth by the media circus. Now he wants to prevent the EU from becoming too centralized.
C --- Next segment predicts the new cold war between USA and PRoC, yes it's that nasty kaplan who like TGAsh from the UK get to spit from their warspout. Yeah you guessed it. the liberal commercially bared skin may to rapidly growing amounts of folks be called be a sin but I wish they'd problematize our industrial part played in war supplies, which is why these to me perverse speculations are alllowed to stand without being icily cold showered with sensible alternatives. Pleach anybody?

Google news hits so far:
Local political activist shot dead in Nijmegen
Expatica, Netherlands - 11 hours ago
AMSTERDAM — Local political activist Louis Seveke was shot dead in Nijmegen on Tuesday night, his friends and the police have confirmed. ...

Gunman kills Dutch left-wing activist
San Diego Union Tribune, United States - 3 hours ago
A prosecution spokesman confirmed activist Louis Seveke, 41, had been shot dead late Tuesday, but declined to give further details. ...

Political murder? Secret service critic gunned down
Indymedia Argentina, Argentina - 8 hours ago
... 16th 2005 - Last night Louis Seveke, 41, a very well known political activist and secret service watcher, was killed in the center of the city of Nijmegen, in ...

the last one is by a dutch conspiracy buff who has it posted at http://forpressfound.blogspot.com too

goofy:
http://www.nobodyhere.com

miscellany

2005-11-15T05:31:00.000-08:00

via Jim Devine (pen-l; see next post down too).

The criticism of religion ends with the teaching that man is the highest essence for man - hence, with the categoric imperative to overthrow all relations in which man is a debased, enslaved, abandoned, despicable essence, relations which cannot be better described than by the cry of a Frenchman when it was planned to introduce a tax on dogs: Poor dogs! They want to treat you as human beings!

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1843/critique-hpr/intro.htm

smashleftwingscum.com/2005/11/ward-churchill-caught-on-tape.html Thursday, November 10, 2005
Ward Churchill Caught on Tape Our man out west sent in the following report that I think you might enjoy.

Hey Jason, mission accomplished!

At Shoreline Community College (seattle) last night at 7:30PM Churchill spoke. We implemented a two prong strategy.

Support the troops conservatives stood outside to protest the speech, while a friend and myself attended the speech. FYI--There was communist club outside distributing an official communist newspaper (and selling books).

Churchill's tools frisked people at the door looking for cameras, and they saw that I had my video camera, of which are not "allowed." So I convinced them I would be a good serf and keep it turned off. Of course I turned it on as soon as things started.

Unfortunately security was too tight for me to catch video, but I did get about 30-40 minutes audio of Churchill's 90 minute speech. On the tape it sounds clear enough to understand, but over the next 2 days I will transfer the audio and hopefully refine it. You'll have a copy soon if you want. Churchill speaks with no notes, in a disorganized fashion, leveling charge after charge of past American injustices to "peoples of brown color the world over." Even worse is the dimwitted masses that cling to is every word, at some points murmuring their agreement.

Ward Churchill is a sort of circus act, he wears so many different hats, and he presents each hat within the first 5 minutes: "my right hand held an AK47" "I was in Vietnam in '68" "I know something about plastic explosives" He is only 1/16 indian yet wears his hair in their style.
He wears cowboy boots. He smokes like a freight train--3 packs a day, so his skin is like leather.

At times you view the man as possessed. As he occasionally stops speaking and stares at some unknown, he takes a deep breath and starts in again. Pat commented that Churchill also has a double stare. So I think I have adaquately described the man. Jason, let me know if I can fill you in on anything else.

I apologize for no pictures, but I can leave you with some of the more insane things Churchill said last night, some I paraphrased to a small extent. Most of these are the raw quotes:

1) "having finally disavowed Christianity as a hoax and fraud"

2) Proliferating the military doesn't work (in fighting terrorism), ask the Israelis.

3) Amplifying CIA will not deter terrorists.

4) Just as Eichmann worked within the murderous nazi machine's final solution, the people in the World Trade Center worked in the murderous capitalist system.

5) Thomas Sowell and Colin Powell are the whitest people I know

6) People need to read hagel

7) Japan was going to surrender anyway

--best

Anthony Mantova

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/328581.shtml Ward Churchill at Evergreen State College 4th and last comment by PhilosopherSeed.org who offers April 16, 2005 Ward Churchill Interview, MP3

highbeam.com/library/doc...ef=1 Vampires anonymous and critical race practice.(Symposium: Representing Race) by a native american, Churchill Investigating Committee member Robert Williams (on tenure, affirmative action and publishing pecking orders) -- full (long) text will be online until the 17th

counterpunch.com/shields10202005.html Bullets, Unemployment and Bankruptcy ---- James McMurtry Makes It in Dayton By RANDY SHIELDS ------ The song met the town. Last Sunday night James McMurtry performed "We Can't Make It Here" (see counterpunch.org 9/30/05 for all the lyrics) at the Canal Street Tavern in Dayton, Ohio. Dayton gets mentioned in the song as the hollowed-out shell of manufacturing that it is.

Takebackthemedia.com and their Hollywood Award winning director/producer Symbolman is proud to present the Definitive Chronology of the Rove/Plamegate outing in DVD format, "Roves War."

http://mailman.lbo-talk...20051114/024557.html [lbo-talk] A coloured revolution fails in Azerbaijan
I dislike the term, "Islamophobia, " (as it it usually deployed by reactionary Islamists and some of their leftist fans like, islamophobia-watch.com/ ---- http://hurryupharry.../03/23/islamophobia_watch.php [>..."The blog, which is produced by socialists, handily categorises various 'Islamophobes' with special sections for left, secular and liberal 'Islamophobes'. Featured names include socialist activist Andrew Coates, journalist Nick Cohen, the Workers Communist Party of Iran, gay rights group Outrage, Kenan Malik, journalist Stuart Jeffries and of course Peter Tatchell." M.P. I occasionally kibbitz with Andrew Coates who has contributed to a journal that Yoshie has as well, whatnextjournal.co.uk/Pages/Latest/Secularism.html , "In Defence of Militant Secularism ", note the refs. to Alain de Benoist ally of Dugin] in the UK SWP who have siddled up to the most noxious bigots, to evade legitimate questioning and struggle against the retrograde aspects of Islam, but, you really fit the bill, with your continual blending of Muslims with Islamist terrorists in Chechnya and elsewhere). Would you also say the hundreds shot in Andijan in May were as the regime said Islamist terrorists en masse? --- http://hrw.org/reports/2005/uzbekistan0605/ >..The Aftermath of the May 13 Shootings The Government's Account of the Events The government has characterized the Andijan events as an attempt by terrorists, motivated by an Islamist agenda and supported by foreigners, to seize power in Andijan.115 It has attributed all deaths
to the gunmen and in public has not explicitly acknowledged any casualties inflicted by government forces.

[115] In several public statements President Karimov blamed the violence on Islamic extremist and particularly Hizb ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation, see below). In his press conference on May 14 President Karimov said that the unrest was led by "fanatic and extremist groups" who were trying to repeat in Uzbekistan the political upheaval that had taken place in Kyrgyzstan in March. "Their main intention was. . .to set up a branch of Utopian Muslim Caliphate." Regarding the participation of foreigners, the president said that some of the gunmen and their weapons came from abroad. He also said ". . . Without help from outside, without foreign sponsors, they would not be able to commit such a crime. And without the funds they would not have been able to organize their action." See, "Uzbek leader gives news conference on Andijon events - full version", BBC Monitoring Central Asia, May 14, 200
Michael Pugliese

------The Sandwichman: > And overwhelminly, you think it's a good thing that the commodity,
> labour power, travels to work by car? ----------------- It depends for whom and in what run. In the short run, it is probably good for us, because we can benefit from cheap overseas labour. It is probably not so good for the consumers in the countries where the stuff is produced, because they cannot compete with our buying power. When it comes to food stuff, that can be a difference between life and death form starvation.

In the long run, however, it is probably good for everyone in the producing countries, because it produces long term economic development. And in the long run, how long do you think 6 or so billion producers of the world will tolerate the parasitic behavior of 300 million of US consumers?

The way I would argue this is not that cars is altogether good or altogether bad, but that it is good in one context but bad in another. Many European use cars as a supplement of mass transit and that is basically a good thing, because people can make a choice between modes of transportation that best suits their needs in any particular situation. In the US, however, most of the population has not choice - they have to use cars because the industry and its government lackeys have so decided - albeit most US-esrs are too
stupid to see that choices have been taken away from them in exchange for a social status symbol.

The way I see is that there is no way that you can rationally discuss the wastefulness of the US way of life - not just the use of cars but overall consumption - because most people would staunchly defend their wasteful consumption patterns as "their" way of life. The only way to change is to reduce the spending power and thus force the population to make more efficient consumption choices. Before that happens, the Hartfields and Co. will have their field day with their love of conspicuous consumption that benefits, inter alia, the working class. Wojtek

Sandwichman writes: "Almost every thing in you local store has traveled thousands of miles by truck, plane and/or container ship. And the fuel to ship it with has been massively subsidized." ---------------------
James Heartfield: And that is a good thing, isn't it? Without those subsidies, the 260 million Americans, and 377 M west Europeans would for the most part, starve. It is just sheer utopianism to think that you could take the internal combustion engine out of the food chain without substantially reducing its output. (setting aside the coming supercession of the gasoline-driven car). By all means propose a planned population reduction (though I think you are in dubious company if you do), but that is at least 70 years away. Until then, people have to eat. Or you could say, like Pol Pot, that the overwhelmingly urban (and increasingly suburban) population should move out into the countryside and feed themselves, but that experiment has been shown to be pretty deadly. ---------------- "The agricultural output that sustains us is based on the motorized application of increasing quantities of petrochemical fertilizers and pesticides because these things lose their effectiveness as they come to disrupt the natural systems of soil regeneration and pest control." -------------- The "natural systems of soil regeneration and pest control" would never be able to sustain a human population of more than a few million, let alone six billion. Increased agricultural output, and its corollary, much more extensive distribution systems come about by modifying natural systems for human ends. --------------- "And overwhelminly, you think it's a good thing that the commodity, labour power, travels to work by car?"------------- Well, that's a "when did you stop beating your wife" question, isn't it. I would prefer that labour was not alienated. But setting aside that possibility, it is preferable to drive twenty miles that you have to than to walk them. Why don't you go round some working class neighbourhoods and ask people if they are willing to trade their cars in for bicycles.

http://benbischop.web-log.nl/ Diligently digitizing the deceitful realms of dreamstuffs; suvival of the stuff(y)est. http://benbischop.blogspot.com/ Conventional (fancy) soft playboy and esquire grade porn (bigger than average exposed breast alert)

aaronsw.com/weblog/ young entrepreneur/hacker with lots of friends .. . .none of whom, I note, are blogspotters.

Marx wanted dogs and gods remain taxfree??

2005-11-14T08:28:00.000-08:00

Progressive Economists on the Neo Classical school

2005-11-14T07:48:00.000-08:00

Progressive Economists on the Neo Classical school ------ >Didn't Marx cite some 19C hack who said that the interest rate was >determined by the rate of growth in a nation's forests? ------------- you're the Marx expert, but I think I would more or less stand up for said hack as having something approaching a point. Certainly this is the reverse of Hotelling's model; you manage your forest such that the first derivative of the value of your trees with respect to time is equal to the interest rate. In the 19th century I think that this would be a decent way of thinking about the long term real interest rate; the opportunity cost of cutting a tree today is how much it will grow tomorrow. Of course in the industrial age, this old-fashioned way of thinking about the fundamental basis of the long term interest rate has been replaced, by fuck-all. ------------- >When I interviewed Graciela Chichilnisky years ago about her crackpot >scheme to trade options on nature, she cited the genius of Hotelling >as her guide. When I asked her how you price, say, a call on a patch >of rain forest, since there's no trading in the underlying >instrument, she said, "That's easy. You run your model with the rain >forest, then run it without." The difference, of course, was the >value of the chunk of nature. best dd ------------- lawdy. the trouble with options theory is that it's the LSD of finance. Most of the people who take it have a moderately mind-enlarging experience and see the world in a slightly different way as a result. But there are always some poor buggers who can't get enough of it and think that they have to spread it around and change the world. Doug ------------- >J. G. Opdyke, in his "Treatise on Political Economy" (New York, 1851) makes a very unsuccessful attempt to explain the general extension of a rate of interest of 5% by eternal laws. Still more naively proceeds Mr. Karl Arnd in "Die naturgemasse Volkswirthschaft gegenuber dem Monopoliengeist und dem Kommunismus, etc., Hanau, 1845." There we may read: "In the natural course of the production of goods there is only one phenomenon, which, in the fully settled countries, seems to be destined to regulate in some measure the rate of interest; this is the proportion, in which the quantities of wood of the European forests increase through their annual new growth. This new growth takes place, quite independently of their exchange value, at the rate of 3 or 4 to 100." (How queer that the trees should arrange for their new growth independently of their exchange value!) "According to this a fall of the rate of interest below its present level in the richest countries cannot be expected." Page 124. (He means, because the new growth of the trees is independent of their exchange value, even though their exchange value may depend on their new growth.) This deserves to be called "the primordial rate of forest interest." Its discoverer has made further meritorious contributions in this work to "our science" as the "philosopher of the dog tax."< (vol. III, ch. 22, note 68; p. 485 of the Penguin/Vintage edition) Hey, it's okay as they don't start taxing cats! -- Jim Devine ------------- THE LISTMOM: The forestry example is fascinating to me. Actually, the work goes back earler than the sources Marx cited. Here are some of my notes on the subject: Lo"fgren, K. 1983. "The Faustmann-Ohlin Theorem: A Historical Note." History of Political Economy, 15: 2 (Summer): pp. 261-4. Faustmannn, Martin. 1849. "Berechnung des Werthes, welchen Walboden sowie mach nicht haubare Holzbestande fuer die Waldwirtschaft besitzen." Allgemeine Forst und Jagd Zeitung, 15, pp. 441-455, translated in M. Gane. 1968. Martin Faustmann and the Evolution of Discounted Cash Flow, Oxford Commonwealth Forestry Institute, Paper No. 42 determined that a forest should be cut down when the rate of change of its value is equal to the interest on the value of the stand plus interest on the value of the forest land. ## Faulhaber, Gerald and William J. Baumol. 1988. "Economists as Innovators: Practical Products of Theoretical Research." .Journal of Economic Literature., 26: 2 (June): pp. 577-600. 583: They show that although the theory of net present value has been known for centuries, but it was very slow in being adopted. "it may have taken the market some 4 centuries to discipline at least some of its participants into efficient discounting." 584: German foresters worked out the details of net present value more than 40 years before Bohn-Bawerk and Fisher took up the idea. The definitive work was published by Martin Faustmann (1849). Fisher (1926) also described the Phillips curve clearly 30 years before its popularization. From the founding of the .Harvard Business Review. to WWII, it never mentioned net present value. Fisher's work on net present value was largely ignored although railroad engineers commonly used the technique. 585: By the 1960s, text books commonly taught net present value of cash flows, but relatively few firms used it in their investment decisions. Thus, the idea has disseminated very slowly. ## Mitra, Tapan and Henry Y. Wan, Jr. 1985. "Some Theoretical Results on the Economics of Forestry." Review of Economic Studies, 52: 2 (April): pp. 263-82. Scott, James C. 1998. Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed (New Haven: Yale University Press). 11-2: "The early modern European state, even before the development of scientific forestry, viewed its forests primarily through the fiscal lens of revenue needs. To be sure, other concerns -- such as timber for ship-building, state construction, and fuel for the economic security of its subjects -- were not entirely absent from official management." 12: "Missing, of course, were all those trees, bushes, and plants holding little or no potential for state revenue. Missing as well were all those parts of trees, even revenue-bearing trees, which might have been useful to the population but whose value could not be converted into fiscal receipts. Here I have in mind foliage and its uses as fodder and thatch; fruits, as food for people and domestic animals; twigs and branches, as bedding, fencing, hop poles, and kindling; bark and roots, for making medicines and for tanning; sap, for making resins; and so forth." 12: "In state "fiscal forestry," ... the actual tree with its vast number of possible uses was replaced by an abstract tree representing a volume of lumber or firewood." 13: "Gone was the vast majority of flora: grasses, flowers, lichens, ferns, mosses, shrubs, and vines. Gone, too, were reptiles, birds, amphibians, and innumerable species of insects. Gone were most species of fauna, except those that interested gamekeepers." "From an anthropologist's perspective, nearly everything touching human interaction with the forest was also missing from the state's tunnel vision. The state did pay attention to poaching, which impinged on its claim to revenue in wood or its claim to royal game, but otherwise it typically ignored the vast, complex, and negotiated social uses of the forest for hunting and gathering, pasturage, fishing, charcoal making, trapping, and collecting food and valuable minerals as well as the forest's significance for magic, worship, refuge, and so on." 18: "How much easier it was to manage the new, stripped-down forest. With stands of same-age trees arranged in linear alleys, clearing the underbrush, felling, extraction, and new planting became a far more routine process. Increasing order in the forest made it possible for forest workers to use written training protocols that could be widely applied. A relatively unskilled and inexperienced labor crew could adequately carry out its tasks by following a few standard rules in the new forest environment. Harvesting logs of relatively uniform width and length not only made it possible to forecast yields successfully but also to market homogeneous product units to logging contractors and timber merchants. Commercial logic and bureaucratic logic were, in this instance, synonymous; it was a system that promised to maximize the return of a single commodity over the long haul and at the same time lent itself to a centralized scheme of management. 19: "the German model of intensive commercial forestry became standard throughout the world. Gifford Pinchot, the second chief forester of the United States, was trained at the French forestry school at Nancy, which followed a German-style curriculum, as did most U.S. and European forestry schools. The first forester hired by the British to assess and manage the great forest resources of India and Burma was Dietrich Brandes, a German. By the end of the nineteenth century, German forestry science was hegemonic." 19: The Germans planted monocultural stands of Norway spruce. 20: The first generation produced high yields, but the second rotation fell by 20 to 30 percent because the trees were mining the soil of the old forest. 20: "It took about one century for them [the negative consequences] to show up clearly. Many of the pure stands grew excellently in the first generation but already showed an amazing retrogression in the second generation. The reason for this is a very complex one and only a simplified explanation can be given .... Then the whole nutrient cycle got out of order and eventually was nearly stopped .... Anyway, the drop of one or two site classes [used for grading the quality of timber] during two or three generations of pure spruce is a well known and frequently observed fact. This represents a production loss of 20 to 30 percent." Plochmann, Richard. 1968. Forestry in the Federal Republic of Germany, Hill Family Foundation Series (Corvallis: Oregon State University School of Forestry): pp. 24-25. 21: "Utilitarian simplification in the forest was an effective way of maximizing wood production in the short and intermediate term. Ultimately, however, its emphasis on yield and paper profits, its relatively short time horizon, and, above all, the vast array of consequences it had resolutely bracketed came back to haunt it." 21: "One further drawback, which is typical of all pure plantations, is that the ecology of the natural plant associations became unbalanced. Outside of the natural habitat, and when planted in pure stands, the physical condition of the single tree' weakens and resistance against enemies decreases." Plochmann, Richard. 1968. Forestry in the Federal Republic of Germany, Hill Family Foundation Series (Corvallis: Oregon State University School of Forestry): p. 25. 21: The Germans "invented the science of what they called "forest hygiene." In place of hollow trees that had been home to woodpeckers, owls, and other tree-nesting birds, the foresters provided specially designed boxes. Ant colonies were artificially raised and implanted in the forest, their nests tended by local schoolchildren. Several species of spiders, which had disappeared from the monocropped forest, were reintroduced." 21: "Having come to see the forest as a commodity, scientific forestry set about refashioning it as a commodity machine." Lo"fgren, K. 1983. "The Faustmann-Ohlin Theorem: A Historical Note." History of Political Economy, 15: 2 (Summer): pp. 261-4. Faustmannn, Martin. 1849. "Berechnung des Werthes, welchen Walboden sowie mach nicht haubare Holzbestande fuer die Waldwirtschaft besitzen." Allgemeine Forst und Jagd Zeitung, 15, pp. 441-455, translated in M. Gane. 1968. Martin Faustmann and the Evolution of Discounted Cash Flow, Oxford Commonwealth Forestry Institute, Paper No. 42 determined that a forest should be cut down when the rate of change of its value is equal to the interest on the value of the stand plus interest on the value of the forest land. ## Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 ------------- It seems to me that Lord Kelvin (William Thompson) used discounted cash flow in his calculation of choosing the size of a conductor on an electric system -- but I can't find my notes about it. Gene Coyle -------------

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